[dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-10 Thread Pete H via dmarc-discuss
Hi all, New to this list, not to the 'net (I registered octopus.com -- that will tell you more about me than anything ;) ) I have an interesting situation. Our context combines: - A very old domain name that we ONLY use for infrastructure. No web site, no email. (ds.org) - Other domains

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-10 Thread John Levine via dmarc-discuss
In article <59dd1c2e.27060.b174...@webbed.pete.gmail.com> you write: >Is there anything I can do to fix this? I'd start by publishing an SPF record that just says "-all" rather than what's in there now which says that there's all sorts of places that real mail can come from. A lot of places treat

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-11 Thread Vladimir Dubrovin via dmarc-discuss
Typical scenario is message is forwarded by recognized but DMARC-unaware forwarder. There are still many large mailbox providers and even more enterprise mail system where DMARC is not implemented. Probably, you did everything you can, so just accept some messages are not DMARC-blocked, because

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-11 Thread Pete Holzmann via dmarc-discuss
Hmmm... I think I'm about to learn something. 1) aster.ds.org is our email server 2) I was under the impression that a "real" email server needs to be able to both receive (postmaster@) and send (MAILER-DAEMON@) administrative emails. What I have for SPF now is: email is ONLY valid from aster

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-11 Thread John Levine via dmarc-discuss
In article <59de991d.29608.10e74...@webbed.pete.gmail.com> you write: >2) I was under the impression that a "real" email server needs to be able to >both receive >(postmaster@) and send (MAILER-DAEMON@) administrative emails. Yes, but only for the domains for which it handles real mail. If you

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-11 Thread Pete Holzmann via dmarc-discuss
Awesome! Thank you SO much :) On 12 Oct 2017 John Levine said... >If you want no mail sent or received by ds.org (as opposed >to any other domains you host) it is just fine to say >that. ___ dmarc-discuss mailing list dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org http://ww

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-12 Thread Vladimir Dubrovin via dmarc-discuss
And this can be (and most probably is) invalid SPF configuration, because mail1.iecc.com can be used in HELO. I've gathered most common SPF misconceptions in this article: https://hackernoon.com/myths-and-legends-of-spf-d17919a9e817 12.10.2017 5:51, John Levine via dmarc-discuss пишет: > In a

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-12 Thread Paul Rock via dmarc-discuss
This is a pretty common practice for domains that people own for brand protection as well - a0l.com has a -all SPF, p=reject DMARC policy, and no MX. On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:22 AM, Pete Holzmann via dmarc-discuss < dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org> wrote: > Awesome! Thank you SO much :) > > On 12 Oct 20

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-12 Thread Pete Holzmann via dmarc-discuss
Vladimir, Thanks for that article. You did cover all of the issues I've seen to date... including one I saw just this morning for the first time! An organization's SPF has: v=spf1 mx include:smtproutes.com include:smtpout.com ~all include:spf.protection.outlook.com -all include:spf.e

Re: [dmarc-discuss] How to block fake forwarders?

2017-10-12 Thread Seth Blank via dmarc-discuss
In addition to Vladimir's post, M3AAWG just published an SPF best practices paper that might be useful: https://www.m3aawg.org/sites/default/files/m3aawg_managing-spf_records-2017-08.pdf Seth On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Pete Holzmann via dmarc-discuss < dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org> wrote: > Vl