2015-03-05 2:36 GMT+01:00, Ricardo Larrañaga :
> So, basically we will be using mithology for names. Ahead on the list it
> gets a little more variety, but initially is mostly gods and godess
Well, I think this is a good reminder. That even things people once
thought as all powerful, always end up
can we keep politics off this list please.
On 4 March 2015 at 23:29, Tom Collins wrote:
> Ста Деюс: As a royssian what do you think of the murder of
> Boris? Do you like Vladimir Putin. And what do you make of this:
>
> "Snowden ‘working exhaustively’ with US to secure terms of trial"
>
> Why d
On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 22:29:28 +0100
"Tom Collins" wrote:
> Ста Деюс: As a royssian what do you think of the murder of
> Boris?
WTF is this doing on the DNG list? Cut it out.
Gregory, is this you? If so, man, you should stick to music, which
you're good at.
SteveT
Steve Litt* h
> They do not support anything but the current version
> unbuildable on a stable Debian release because they freely import dependencies
> They don't even support RHEL 6
you have this /backwards/, your _software_distributor_ isn't
supporting Chromium. there are literally tens of thousands of
distr
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 21:09 -0500, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features,
> > it also has no real security support.
>
> No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security.
> The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs
> Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google
(like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you
learn that the NSA tapped private fib
The only reason that I suggested Chromium is that it is *already* in the
Debian repository. For those concerned about security and maintenance,
that means that it is no worse than the rest of the software in Debian.
The reasons I have less respect for Firefox than I used to are really
simple.
Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
I don't understand where you got child pornography from.
-Original Message-
From: "Gravis" [rin...@adaptivetime.com]
Date: 03/04/2015 09:16 PM
To: "Ed Ender"
CC: "dng
On 03/ 4/15 04:00 AM, Anto wrote:
I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS just
now.
I just removed the systemd from php-fpm, so everyone can test it.
http://mirror.org.rs/trios/pool/non-systemd-testing/p/php5/
-
[root@trios][/home/dragan/Desktop]# apt-
> Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after minor
> planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I nominate pseudo-planet Sedna
> for a future Devuan release. Not sure how many of these planets exist, but
> if we run out of planet names, there's always the many moons o
On 03/04/15 21:29, william moss wrote:
>
> Opera for the browser.
>
*** Last time I checked, Opera was proprietary software.
Did you see how I edited the email?
==
hk
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_ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom
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On 03/04/15 23:23, Gravis wrote:
>> So, basically we will be using mithology for names.
>
*** Although Homer was verbose on names, I doubt he ever reached
670,000. Once the astronomers depleted the stock of gods, semi-gods,
muses, spirits, heroes and so forth, they ventured into baptizing space
ob
* On 2015 04 Mar 18:30 -0600, william moss wrote:
> Thunderbird or Claws for email, though the Opera client is good.
To paraphrase, "You'll have to pry my Mutt from my cold dead fingers!"
;-)
- Nate
--
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The pessimist fea
On Wed, 2015-03-04 at 14:25 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> > Hello Everybody,
> >
> > I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
> > the re-branded Mozilla products.
> >
> Debian *could* have used the firefox binary di
Tom Collins wrote on 03/04/15 15:22:
> These people really are bastards. I wish there was some way to fight them.
> This disrespect should not be allowed to go unanswered.
No. That is not in the spirit of open source either. If you expect to have the
right to build open source however you want
> So, basically we will be using mithology for names.
1) spelling
2) basically, just series of letters but one might call that an
oversimplification. they are the names of minor planets.
--Gravis
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:36 PM, Ricardo Larrañaga
wrote:
> So, basically we will be using mitholog
> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I
> have no real say in the matter.
> That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government
> agencies.
ties to which government agencies? such as what, getting hacked by
the NSA? reporting child porn
a lot of devuan packages are just rebuilt debian packages. we dont
need more work than we already have, so why bother with
re-re-branding? if you can't stomach chromium then i suggest you
check out qupzilla because it has to speed of chromium, the interface
of firefox and no google integration. c
> Besides issues related to Chromium's poor support for privacy features,
> it also has no real security support.
No comment on the privacy features, but I beg to differ on the security.
The fact that the Linux build of Chromium runs each tab and plugin in its
own seccomp'ed process and runs them
So, basically we will be using mithology for names. Ahead on the list it
gets a little more variety, but initially is mostly gods and godess
On Mar 4, 2015 9:25 PM, "Gravis" wrote:
> > Not sure how many of these planets exist, but if we run out of planet
> names, there's always the many moons of
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 05:14:26PM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> >>>Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any
> >>>plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future,
> >>>especially Firefox and Thunderbird?
>
> If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd ra
> Not sure how many of these planets exist, but if we run out of planet
names, there's always the many moons of the solar system (165 by last
count). And then there are the comets.
"Minor planets can be dwarf planets, asteroids, trojans, centaurs, Kuiper
belt objects, and other trans-Neptunian obj
> They are our enemies and wish to make things as difficult as they can
> for us. They kicked us out and are working to make sure we cannot use
> that which is now their thing.
even if what you claim is true, so what? give the trolls enough rope
and they will hang themselves, we only need to leav
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On 03/04/2015 07:06 PM, Ed Ender wrote:
> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google.
> Although I have no real say in the matter. That IMO would be a
> security breach, considering their ties to government agencies.
>
> Just my 2
Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I have
no real say in the matter.
That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government
agencies.
Just my 2 cents!
Ed
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From: "T.J. Duchene" [t.j.duch...@gmail.com]
Date: 03/04
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:29:28PM +0100, Tom Collins wrote:
> "Snowden ‘working exhaustively’ with US to secure terms of trial"
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/04/snowden-wants-come-home-stories-case-study-media-deceit/
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On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
>the re-branded Mozilla products.
>
>As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
>Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG
>(https://www.debian.org/social_
Just want to say that I really like this idea of naming releases after
minor planets, such as Ceres. It's a way cool idea. I nominate
pseudo-planet Sedna for a future Devuan release. Not sure how many of these
planets exist, but if we run out of planet names, there's always the many
moons of the so
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:22 PM, Tom Collins wrote:
> They spit on us every chance they get.
> There should be repercussions.
Take a deep breath, focus your energy on positive things, like Devuan.
It's a much more productive use of your time.
With political correctness out of the way, i get you, b
I don't think that Snowden means any disrespect. His girlfriend moved there
shortly after he was given asylum, so it's not the girls. Also he was only
granted a 3 year "visa" to stay in Russia. I think that he just wants to come
"home". I myself appreciate that Russia or Putin has granted him ti
Ста Деюс: As a royssian what do you think of the murder of
Boris? Do you like Vladimir Putin. And what do you make of this:
"Snowden ‘working exhaustively’ with US to secure terms of trial"
Why does he want to go back? Are the women and girls of the Rus
not good enough for him. Why do you acce
I was reading the debian-user mailing list some time ago and one of the systemd
triumphalists
stated that they will be compiling in the requirement to use systemd in every
package
that supports it. They stated that they won and anyone who doesn't like it can
leave.
So you aren't imagining thing
On 03/04/15 17:13, x...@openmailbox.org wrote:
>
> I'm not a professional artist, but
>
*** You're quite talented :)
The monkey looks a bit aggressive, I don't think it needs to be. If you
have more sketches, I'd love to see them.
Cheers,
==
hk
--
_ _ We are free to share code and we co
Not sure who is packaging PA for Devuan, but this minimally
invasive configuration works for me, and looks like a good
fit as a Devuan default, in that it doesn't take over
the ALSA default device.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples#PulseAudio_as_a_minimal_unintrusive_dumb_pi
Hey,
I've always loved the mascots for the logos (Tux and others). Someone on
twitter compared us with monkeys for wanting to fork Debian. The answer
of Jaromil inspired me this character that send you today. I'm late , I
know, I know.
I'm not a professional artist, but maybe it's the only t
I think it is very likely Henrik, that we will never agree entirely on the
subject. =) Which is okay with me and should be okay with you, too.
We agree that particular GC is doomed to be flawed. As something that
cannot be avoided, the potential for disasterous bugs that cannot be fixed
by the
On 04/03/15 20:25, Hendrik Boom wrote:
As I understood it, the main problem was that the mozilla browser is
open-source except for the mozilla icon/logo, which is copyright, and
not under a free license. And the firefox name is trademarked, and they
won't let you use the name without the icon.
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 07:45:22PM +0100, Anto wrote:
> Hello Everybody,
>
> I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
> the re-branded Mozilla products.
>
> As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
> Mozilla license that does not comply with DS
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 01:39:55AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> On 03/03/2015 09:07 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >As time passed, they kept finding new uses for their scripting
> >language. Occasionally they would realize and existing module
> >needed major new functinoality, and it was easier to w
Hello Everybody,
I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use the
re-branded Mozilla products.
As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG
(https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines). Or the
Le 04/03/2015 18:12, hellekin a écrit :
On 03/02/15 23:23, Gravis wrote:
consider grouping your emails as "conversations" as it is a wonderful
option for organizing mailing list threads.
*** Thanks for this, but the topic having drifted a lot: the thread
should also have been renamed. If any
> I don't think php5-fpm needs systemd at all for process management.
of course it's not needed, it's an option after all. however, systemd
can probably do it a bit faster and more reliably. i'm just saying
it's not like this is completely out of place. it's important to
maintain perspective bec
On 04/03/15 04:49, Gravis wrote:
from: http://php.net/manual/en/install.fpm.php
FPM (FastCGI Process Manager) is an alternative PHP FastCGI
implementation with some additional features (mostly) useful for
heavy-loaded sites.
this actually makes some sense because systemd does do process
manageme
On 03/02/15 23:23, Gravis wrote:
> consider grouping your emails as "conversations" as it is a wonderful
> option for organizing mailing list threads.
>
*** Thanks for this, but the topic having drifted a lot: the thread
should also have been renamed. If any of you would like to contribute a
summa
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 11:49:20AM +0100, shraptor shraptor wrote:
>
> I consider myself of moderate coding skills
> and I like shell. I learnt coding in basic, modula2 and some c.
If you liked Modula 2, you might want to look at Modula 3. Same
syntax, but completely different language.
-- hen
On 03/04/15 05:07, Gravis wrote:
>
> no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think
>
*** Someone already coined a term to remove dependencies on his code:
depoetterizing. This is not a cult to Lennart P. Just think again.
Lenny is a past release, but Devuan is not looking back.
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 11:49:20AM +0100, shraptor shraptor wrote:
> I would like to remind you that nobody was
> born a great coder but through misstakes
> learned to be better.
>
> I think some coders that write crappy code
> are on their way to be great. others have
> a hidden agenda and theres
I would like to remind you that nobody was
born a great coder but through misstakes
learned to be better.
I think some coders that write crappy code
are on their way to be great. others have
a hidden agenda and theres a difference.
I consider myself of moderate coding skills
and I like shell. I l
On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 02:02:28AM -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote:
[cut]
>
> Not at all. C was designed specifically to allow code to be
> portable, instead of assembly which is not.
>
> I said "usually". What I mean is that many arguments in favour of
> specific high level languages are mostly sy
Le 04/03/2015 00:36, T.J. Duchene a écrit :
On Tue, 03 Mar 2015 12:46:17 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 02/03/2015 23:43, T.J. Duchene a écrit :
We just see things differently. My first question would be: is
there are a justified reason NOT to use C?
There is a very good reason, and I h
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Anto wrote:
> I pinned my php5 packages to version 5.4.36-0+deb7u1 on wheezy, because
> php5-fpm version 5.6.5+dfsg-2 on jessie requires libsystemd0. When I did
> dist-upgrade just now, it wanted to upgrade dpkg, dpkg-dev and libdpkg-perl
> from version 1.17.23 to 1
Le 04/03/2015 04:00, Anto a écrit :
Hello Everybody,
I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS
just now.
I pinned my php5 packages to version 5.4.36-0+deb7u1 on wheezy,
because php5-fpm version 5.6.5+dfsg-2 on jessie requires libsystemd0.
When I did dist-upgrade ju
> As we have such naming and as "where no toy has gone before" is so close
> to a citation, can i suggest/hope that we can dedicate Jessie to Leonard
> Nimoy?
no way, the first has to be dedicated to Lennart! just think, without
our pal lenny, none of us would have ever met and many programs
(inc
On 03/03/2015 07:19 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
So what you're saying is that all languages are syntactic sugar over
assembly? :)
Not at all. C was designed specifically to allow code to be portable,
instead of assembly which is not.
I said "usually". What I mean is that many arguments in f
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