Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 18:37:23 schrieb T.J. Duchene: -Original Message- From: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI [mailto:ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org] Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:34 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: Jaromil [mailto:jaro...@dyne.org] Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 2:28 AM To: T.J. Duchene; dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd hi T.J. On 6 April 2015 01:37:23 CEST, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Jude Nelson
Should have said in the earlier email: the list of contributors I gave earlier is definitely not all-encompassing, nor was it meant to be (I was trying to give an example of other people working towards a systemd-free future, and those were the first few people that came to mind). This is why a

Re: [Dng] Who/what is welcome on this list?

2015-04-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:46:54AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] Regardless of the immediate outcome, it is worth asking what, exactly, is the problem with T.J.'s posts. I see much harder fought battles on the perl5-porters over technical decisions. People may be temporarily banned

[Dng] Who/what is welcome on this list?

2015-04-06 Thread Joel Roth
T.J. Duchene wrote: I am getting the general impression from on and off the list, that my comments are not welcome here, and that my continued presence is a distraction. Very well. I was going to give it some more thought, but I think it would be best if I simply left the list by the end of

Re: [Dng] devuan security wishlist item

2015-04-06 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Tue 07 April 2015 01:29:13 Joerg Reisenweber wrote: On Mon 06 April 2015 18:47:46 Miles Fidelman wrote: I have the magic list written on sticky, underneath my keyboard try Ctrl+Alt+SysReq+Shift for online help, no need for sticky notes (actually every key that's not already assigned

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-06 Thread Neo Futur
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing everything of me ( they already have

[Dng] Contact

2015-04-06 Thread T.J. Duchene
Anyone wants to contact me is certainly welcome to do so off of the Devuan list, on any subject they please. I'm not trying to be dramatic, but I believe that it is in Devuan's best interest that I leave. By removing myself from the list, legitimate conversation can continue. I'm still

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Apollia
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 4:50 PM, T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince us

Re: [Dng] devuan security wishlist item

2015-04-06 Thread Miles Fidelman
Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2015 at 11:16:49AM +0100, Godefridus Daalmans wrote: Talking about security and ttys and login: I would like Devuan to have a clear documentation and good defaults for the Secure Attention Key (SAK). E.g. that any user at the console can expect to do

Re: [Dng] devuan security wishlist item

2015-04-06 Thread Robert Storey
Wasn't there a whole seqence of ctrl-alt-letter things to gradually shut down the entire system, layer by layer? Antybody still know these, and are they still there? Ah yes, the magic keys. Holding down Alt and SysRq (which is the Print Screen key) while slowly typing REISUB will get you

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread hellekin
On 04/06/2015 04:23 PM, Jude Nelson wrote: Second, I can't take all the credit :) Besides the VUA collective (Jaromil, Nextime, Hellekin, and others?), there's also: *** I'm not VUA. They are genuine spaghetti-raised Italians, I'm just an exiled Piemontese from the XVth Century. I can

Re: [Dng] Devuan's release date ?

2015-04-06 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Isaac Dunham writes: On one of my installs I included this in sources.list: Thank you very much. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Martijn Dekkers
What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and *necessary*? I don't want to be

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-06 Thread Peter Maloney
On 04/06/2015 06:10 AM, Neo Futur wrote: I certainly would not put it on server without serious thought, but I do not think that I would be overly concerned about it on the desktop. Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing everything of me ( they already

Re: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

2015-04-06 Thread Roger Leigh
On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:43:26PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: -Original Message- From: Franco Lanza [mailto:next...@nexlab.it] Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 5:36 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] What do you guys think about Suggest and Recommends dependency?

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-06 Thread T.J. Duchene
-Original Message- From: neofu...@ww7.be [mailto:neofu...@ww7.be] On Behalf Of Neo Futur Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:10 PM To: T.J. Duchene Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated! I m a gentoo and mageia user ( but I donated half a bitcoin to

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:46:45AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince us that

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 06 April 2015 10:06:49 KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:46:45AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:46:45 +0300 Martijn Dekkers devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote: What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Mon 06 April 2015 11:01:10 Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 06 Apr 2015 11:24:54 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de wrote: Please by all means avoid friendly fire towards shots you hear in front of you - it's not the enemy, it's just your peers, we're all looking (and fighting) same

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-06 Thread Martijn Dekkers
When the organization has made a foundational policy decision, so they can move forward and implement that policy, yet somebody keeps trying to open up that policy to further debate, is that somebody's fire really friendly? Are they looking and fighting in the same direction, or are they