Should have said in the earlier email: the list of contributors I gave earlier is definitely not all-encompassing, nor was it meant to be (I was trying to give an example of other people working towards a systemd-free future, and those were the first few people that came to mind). This is why a wiki page with all contributors accounted for--not only developers, but also testers, bug-hunters, integrators, editors, document-writers, graphic artists, packagers, and so on. We're all in this together :)
On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Jude Nelson <jud...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Martijn Dekkers < > devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote: > > [snip] > >> It really is a pity. The VUA and guys like Jude do awesome work bringing >> the state-of-the-art forward when it comes to actually building working >> technology that does not depend on systemd, whilst this list is quickly >> just an echo chamber of pre-approved opinions. And the pre-approved >> opinions are getting less by the day. >> >> > I've seen at least two posts now where I've been held up as an example of > doing something about systemd. First, thank you for your kind words :) > Second, I can't take all the credit :) Besides the VUA collective > (Jaromil, Nextime, Hellekin, and others?), there's also: > > * Dima Krasner, who is working on LoginKit ( > https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/loginkit), as well as > building Puppy Linux from Devuan, and getting lightdm to work without > logind. > * Isaac Dunham, who is working on libsysdev ( > https://github.com/idunham/libsysdev) and getting X.org to run without > libudev. > * Scooby, lepoitr, John Carline, and other anonymous contributors who are > helping me test vdev on live hardware. > > I'd like to get a list together (perhaps on the wiki?) of the names or > aliases of the people who are working on making Devuan possible, so we can > give credit where credit is due. > > -Jude > > >> On 6 April 2015 at 17:55, Steve Litt <sl...@troubleshooters.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 6 Apr 2015 11:46:45 +0300 >>> Martijn Dekkers <devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>> > > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just >>> > > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork >>> > > specifically born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be >>> > > able to convince us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and >>> > > *necessary*? I don't want to be saved, thanks ;) >>> > > >>> > >>> > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just >>> > discussing systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like >>> > he is simply keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate >>> > either way.... >>> >>> But to what point? Devuan was born in, OK, I'll use your >>> characterization, hate, of systemd. Eliminating systemd is the >>> cornerstone of Devuan. Sure, we're forming principles that accommodate >>> our refusal to use systemd, and accommodate future software fiascos, >>> but it's obvious that Devuan=NoSystemd. >>> >>> So what is the point, on this particular list, of keeping an open mind >>> on the subject of systemd? I can see the point on the Manjaro list, or >>> the Gentoo list, or the Saybayon list, or the OpenSuSE list. But on >>> declared systemd-never lists like Devuan or Funtoo, or for that matter >>> on declared systemd-forever lists like RedHat and Fedora, what's the >>> point of being systemd agnostic? >>> >>> Systemd-agnosticism is appropriate in most venues. But not in venues >>> whose very foundation is pro or anti systemd. >>> >>> SteveT >>> >>> Steve Litt >>> Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting >>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dng mailing list >>> Dng@lists.dyne.org >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> >> >
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