Hi Johnathan,
I should clarify what I had meant to say earlier in context--I believe I
misspoke (serves me right to post with low blood sugar).
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> The ML structure will neither fix nor prevent bad behavior. However, it
>> can mitigate its effe
Hi Jonathan,
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> Hi Jude,
> I wrote an email about some GUI features I'd like to see in the default DE
> for Devuan. Jaromil wrote a thoughtful response. As a result I'm willing
> to use the first stable release (and possibly beta release) a
Massimo thanks for your mail
I even contradicted myself on this damn -Dev thing that should be enough for
the most to understand I really give a frill about it.
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Hi Jude,I wrote an email about some GUI features I'd like to see in the default
DE for Devuan. Jaromil wrote a thoughtful response. As a result I'm willing
to use the first stable release (and possibly beta release) and give feedback
and/or bug reports.
If that's the kind of thing that belongs
Hi all,
I'm following the list since February, as I might have some time to spare at
some point and help test/develop Devuan in the future (and migrate my machines
to it).
I did not write so far to avoid noise increase.
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:37:23 +0100
From: Jaromil
On April 9, 2015
It has been suggested several times now that the reason Debian developers
supposedly suffer a disconnect from Debian users is because there are
dedicated -dev and -user mailing lists, where -dev is moderated to be
development topics only. It has been suggested that because developers can
simply ig
> list members off-list and best of luck to Devuan. I'll be decommissioning
> the Jenkins slave I contributed, and will go get some work done
I have no dog in this argument, however, I have plenty of servers available
if we need to build any new platforms: Jenkins, Vagrant, SDK, etc.
Linux O'Bea
hi,
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Brad Campbell wrote:
> On 09/04/15 23:56, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> >On 09/04/2015 10:37, Jaromil wrote:
> >>a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only.
> >
> > That's really a shame, because I would love to have access to that list -
> >even read-only.
On 09/04/15 23:56, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 09/04/2015 10:37, Jaromil wrote:
a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only.
That's really a shame, because I would love to have access to that list -
even read-only. Isn't it possible to open subscriptions while keeping
posts mo
On 09/04/2015 10:37, Jaromil wrote:
a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only.
That's really a shame, because I would love to have access to that list -
even read-only. Isn't it possible to open subscriptions while keeping
posts moderated ? (posts from devs would be auto-ap
Hi Isaac,
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Isaac Dunham wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 05:22:55PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > > > > "report every kind of device, since it listens to the kernel's
> driver
> > > core
> > > > > (i.e. libudev learns about network interfaces, buses, power
> suppli
On Thu, 09 Apr 2015, Franco Lanza wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and
> > from the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people
> > running the project.
>
> dyne.org != de
>Author: Martijn Dekkers
>Date: 2015-04-08 00:35 -400
>To: dng@lists.dyne.org
>Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list
>Personally, my view is that there is no cost or significant effort to the
>project for splitting to -dev and -user. Those who are not interested in
>either of these lists don't have to subsc
On Thu 09 April 2015 08:58:00 Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> Drawback: If a discussion starts on Non-Technical about modification of the
> Technical list (eg: moving the format to a forum) those who only read the
> Technical list will not know about the proposed change...
Which is not a drawback but exac
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 08:46:06 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> It should be divided between technical and nontechnical.
> This will not separate users from developers, which is allegedly what
> happened to Debian.
Drawback: If a discussion starts on Non-Technical about modification of the
Technical
eOn Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 12:00:41PM +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
>
> For what is worth - and at risk of adding fuel to the fire, but
> I am just voicing my impressions and you guys will do what you want
> with it:
>
> I have subscribed to this list five days ago, hoping to see technical
> discu
Oh wait, it wasn't offlist.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Martijn Dekkers
wrote:
>> The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a
>> bogus argument. Similar to "Lots of people jump of bridges, care to
>> join them?"
>
>
> Thats just uninformed bullshit. "Patterns" are one
On April 9, 2015 8:20:19 AM GMT+01:00, Martijn Dekkers
wrote:
>I am neither the first, nor will I be the last, to ask for a -dev list.
a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only. Even the take
over of the Kremlin was done by leaving the hangry mob outside of its gates.
>
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 12:00 +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
> For what is worth - and at risk of adding fuel to the fire, but
> I am just voicing my impressions and you guys will do what you want
> with it:
> Please direct me to the place where the technical discussions are
> happening; if they'r
For what is worth - and at risk of adding fuel to the fire, but
I am just voicing my impressions and you guys will do what you want
with it:
I have subscribed to this list five days ago, hoping to see technical
discussions about how to design a distribution without systemd. I am
the author of
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and from
> the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people running the
> project.
dyne.org != devun
dyne.org != VUAs
dyne.org is helping VUAs and dev
On Thu 09 April 2015 11:27:45 Franco Lanza wrote:
> all of those open to anyone, without restriction on WHO can join, but
> with restriction on WHAT can be considered in topic and what not.
(plus all the rest)
Absolutely to the point. Thanks! Exactly what we see everywhere else
*WORKING*.
And ass
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> You can now count me amongst those in the "fuck it, this is a waste of
> time" camp. Good luck with your forum, your "everyone use one list or GTFO"
> attitude, the constant off-list clique forming and gossipy emails about
> list me
On Thu 09 April 2015 02:20:16 hellekin wrote:
>> *** I see another two groups: people who want to work together and build
> something different that won't end up in an isolated technical committee
> in their ivory towers, and bullies.
Sorry that's not to the point. Nobody at all talked about "tech
Just my 2 c.:
Having multiple mailing lists isn't to be seen as separate users from
developers. It has to be seen as separate topics.
In my view even more than 2 ml are ok, something like:
1- ml dev
1- ml general
1- ml announces
1- ml translations/localization
1- ml users
1- ml governance
1- ml
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 10:20 +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> I am neither the first, nor will I be the last, to ask for a -dev
list.
>
>> *** I see another two groups: people who want to work together and
>> build something different that won't end up in an isolated technical
>> committee in their
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
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>
> You can now count me amongst those in the "fuck it, this is a waste of
> time" camp. Good luck with your forum, your "everyone use one list or GTFO"
> attitude, the constant off-list clique forming and gossipy emails abou
> > That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons,
> like
> > others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of
> "because I
> > said so"
> >
>
> It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's not even a single release, only
> a dozen or so regular participants, and
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 02:28:38AM -0300, hellekin wrote:
> On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> >> We do not need another list.
> >>
> >
> > That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like
> > others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of
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