Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 17/07/2015 21:38, ibid...@gmail.com a écrit : KatolaZ: > > > > >You guys talk about supporting half a dozen init systems like it > > > >was similar to providing half a dozen different editors, which > > > >believe me is not quite the case. This is true, because supporting an init system requ

Re: [DNG] many packages VS. one package, was: Re: dng@lists.dyne.org

2015-07-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/07/2015 06:58, Peter Olson a écrit : On July 17, 2015 at 11:38 PM Gregory Nowak wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote: Some might ask, Why not just one simple package? That's where Devuan can bring packaging sanity in as well. megabyte for example. Granted

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 18/07/2015 09:52, Didier Kryn wrote: There are two categories of launchers: supervisors and non-supervisors. Similarly, I think two scripts only are needed for every daemon: one for launching without supervision, alla sysv-init and one for launching from a supervisor. Just two, not one per eve

Re: [DNG] dng@lists.dyne.org

2015-07-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > I never said it was set in stone. > > All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all > of SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead of making multiple > packages, simplifies the distribution, and m

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread Fred DC
On 18/07/2015 10:49, Laurent Bercot wrote: > > Believe me, providing sysv-rc compatibility when you're working on > a supervision suite is no small feat: the paradigm is very different, > > . If it was easy, we would have provided compatibility packages > long ago, and supervision wo

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 09:52:18AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Further more, a method could be agreed on to tell the script if > the daemon is going to be supervised or not, and we would then need > only one script for all cases. > > For example, providing "supervised-start" an

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 18/07/2015 12:42, Fred DC wrote: I am not saying that runit is better as s6 - all I want to point out is that debian runit, until recently, intergrates fairly well with sysv-rc. The reason why it does is that it compromises on supervision. I don't know how debian runit is packaged, but I'm

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/07/2015 12:43, KatolaZ a écrit : On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 09:52:18AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] Further more, a method could be agreed on to tell the script if the daemon is going to be supervised or not, and we would then need only one script for all cases. For example,

Re: [DNG] dng@lists.dyne.org

2015-07-18 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:37:26AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 08:16:06PM -0700, James Powell wrote: > > I never said it was set in stone. > > > > All I suggested was if you install a package like SDL, then you install all > > of SDL, not just part of it. This reduces overhead

Re: [DNG] startup scripts (was dng@lists.dyne.org)

2015-07-18 Thread James Powell
The boot scripts can be somewhat universal, but not always. Runit and s6 require some very special and specific service and boot scripts for init, plus a lot of custom service scripts. These are what need the most attention. The init stage scripts are going to be unique to each init system as we

[DNG] sysvinit vs sysvinit-core

2015-07-18 Thread Anto
Hello everybody, When I tried to upgrade the packages on my PC to the ones from Devuan jessie repository just now, the following ones got held back due to my pinning preference. root@hp8530w:~# dpkg --list accountsservice acpi-fakekey initscripts libaccountsservice0 sysvinit sysvinit-utils u

Re: [DNG] sysvinit vs sysvinit-core

2015-07-18 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 11:35:20PM +0200, Anto wrote: > As above, I am still using sysvinit from Debian wheezy. And I held > util-linux to the above version. As far as I remember, I got problems using > util-linux higher than that version. I forgot the exact the problems. > > What I am wondering i