Re: [DNG] [helle...@dyne.org: Re: Missing packages]

* On 2016 29 Apr 16:53 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > Let me see if I understand you correctly. the package firmware-iwlwifi > is not open software, and so is not available from the devuan package > archive. So > > a) The sources.list line > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main

Re: [DNG] Missing packages

* On 2016 29 Apr 10:17 -0500, hellekin wrote: > Devuan only packages free software. The non-free archive comes from > Debian. Activate the non-free component, as you would in Debian, and > you should be set. I have my /etc/apt/sources.list set up thusly on my laptop which I just switched over

Re: [DNG] mounting an android phone as usb storage

* On 2016 29 Apr 15:29 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 11:31:29AM -0400, Steven W. Scott wrote: > > Alas, some are, some aren't and it seems to depend on manufacturer. Android > > is a wild-west with tens of thousands of different devices and every > > manufacturer, ISP, and

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

* On 2016 16 Apr 16:04 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:19:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > > > > > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode > > >GUI). Mostly because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

* On 2016 16 Apr 15:15 -0500, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 16/04/2016 19:47, Noel Torres a écrit : > > > >I regularly use aptitude's CUI (I use to name it as text-mode GUI). Mostly > >because it has that wonderful "Mark as automatically installed" mode, that > >allows packages to be more easily updated

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

Interesting. I've been using Aptitude in CUI mode since at least 2000 or so and it seems straightforward and reasonably intuitive to me. It is miles ahead of dselect which it replaced. Now that was a horror of a UI. Of course, a dselect lover or two will be along tell me I'm wrong. :-) I've

Re: [DNG] Microsoft upgrades Windows 7 to 10 without permission

* On 2016 16 Mar 15:21 -0500, Daniel Reurich wrote: > You can uninstall and hide (to prevent from reinstalling) a couple of > updates to get rid of the nags permanently. And "they" say Linux is too hard to use! ;-) - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible

Re: [DNG] A heads up about xfce's future

* On 2016 26 Feb 17:16 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:46:58 +0100 > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > > IIUC, LXDE's decision to go Qt was based on the fact that it otherwise > > and rather sooner than later would have to go GTK+ 3, which I see very > > well in

Re: [DNG] Speaking of Window Managers

* On 2016 26 Feb 23:05 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Here's info on dmenu: > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dmenu > > http://linux.die.net/man/1/dmenu > > http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201406/201406.htm#use_faster_tools_dmenu > > Just for fun, I'd like some opinions. If a

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

* On 2016 20 Feb 01:17 -0600, dev1fanboy wrote: > Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation > to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a > dialogue to take place during his presentation. The video is about 2 1/2 years old. People could be

Re: [DNG] Self documenting code

I really never thought I'd see an article on programming that managed to pull both Grace Slick and Culture Club in as a relevant plot vehicles. Well done, Steve. :-D - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham

Re: [DNG] The perversion continues

I scanned that thread at first and my thought was that Network Manager wasn't being started when he loaded OpenBox. I thought that once configured that NM will have a network connection before its GUI component is even loaded. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] Slackware now uses PulseAudio...

* On 2016 17 Jan 07:21 -0600, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > A 'consumer' is - by definition - an entirely passive entity, somewhat > like a refuse bin, who is supposed to swallow whatever is to be > put into him by people who control 'production'. I always had in mind one of those pedal operated

Re: [DNG] Devuan Weekly News LX

SD now includes a replacement for running ntp/ntpdate to synchronize time so that is being absorbed. It's probably a wash and low on most desktop users list, but one more example of SD becoming your complete middleware system! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] FW: support for merged /usr in Debian

Thank you, Roger, for a well reasoned and coherent explanation on /usr merge. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

Hi Miles, et. al. As an upstream developer/maintainer and downstream user of packages both locally built and packaged, I've come to the conclusion that, at least in the case of Debian, building from source is for "those who know what they are doing." On the one hand, given the wide array of

Re: [DNG] meta-comment re. build systems

* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: > YUP - made it very clear, and I basically agree with delineation. I tend to > agree with Steve re. when to use, and not use, package management (and with > Joel's comment re. "checkinstall" making it easier to remove things > later. Another

Re: [DNG] Ummmm, no

* On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Can you say "kdbus?" That doesn't worry me much at this stage as unlike at the higher layers where SD support seems to result in support for certain other APIs being removed, the kernel has gained all sorts of features over the years that are

Re: [DNG] Ian Murdock

Sad news. Looks to be legit. Okay, I'm ready for 2015 to be over. :-( - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___

Re: [DNG] Don't feed the troll

This developer has some thoughts on the matter, Mitt: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/

Re: [DNG] Our friendly community

* On 2015 17 Dec 12:45 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: > I wonder if Devuan could recruit some of the massive brainpower exiting > the Debian project? Did Russ actually leave the project or just the TC. I didn't see anything recent (past couple of months) that hints at anything. I no longer follow

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

* On 2015 14 Dec 13:48 -0600, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > What email client do you suggest me to use so that I can properly > quote previous replies? I use gmail's classic webmail interface as my > computer lags with the newer webmail interfaces. I tried claws-mail > without success: the

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 25 Nov 00:07 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 10:32:31PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Hi Steve et al, > > > > The only problem that comes to my mind about Lazarus and Pascal, is > > many Linux users would not have a Pascal compiler (fpc) > > installed on their

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 23 Nov 00:53 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > In my opinion, using C with lists will be the most suitable. Have you looked at what glib provides? It is an underlying library of GTK and seems to contain many such solutions. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] Experiencing with GtkBuilder

* On 2015 23 Nov 06:18 -0600, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Nate, > > Yes, i'm taking a look at this. > > gtk, glib, atk, cairo, pango, gdk-pixbuf... Before you guys go too far down the GTK rabbit hole, which will eventually force you into GTK3, you may want to ponder this:

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

Reading some of the links left me about speechless. I seem to recall a time when Debian actions were open to all involved. The requests for clarification of the discussions supposedly leading to the creation of live-build-ng in bug 804315 went unanswered. Besides being heavy-handed and rude, it

Re: [DNG] Doing away with multi-threading in my project (netman)

Edward, A rather thorough reference is "The Linux Programming Interface" available from: http://www.man7.org/tlpi/ and other retailers. HTH, - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

* On 2015 30 Aug 02:27 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: You know why, Nate. You were on Debian-User in the bad old days. Back in the day, how many times did I get called a conspiracy theorist for answering that question. Three words: 1. Follow 2. the 3. money. Sigh, yes, I know. I'm still

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

And all along I thought a dock had to do with a place to put program icons on a desktop and that docker was a tool to handle it. I've ignored everything about virtual machines except for Virtual Box and QEMU. Evidently, I now have to know that a container is a virtual machine. Or is it? Seems

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

* On 2015 29 Aug 16:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: Yeah, that isn't a problem, and shouldn't be a problem. Interestingly, in my LUG, the most pro-systemd guys are the mega-metal admins administering hundreds of boxes with hundreds of Docker containers. These guys are telling me systemd is

Re: [DNG] frontend GUI implementation

* On 2015 23 Aug 09:21 -0500, Edward Bartolo wrote: Although I have a working Lazarus written frontend, I am getting the message, it may not be accepted in Devuan, for the reason it is written in Lazarus Pascal. Therefore, I am considering taking the leap of trying to rewrite it for GTK2 or

Re: [DNG] He who forgets history...

Almost hard to believe that those are nearly 17 years old. I'd been using Linux as my main system since January 1998 and had played with it since September 1996 by dual-booting with DOS/Windows and later Windows '95. To be fair, I think much progress toward ease of use came in the early years of

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

* On 2015 19 Jul 05:22 -0500, Ста Деюс wrote: Good time of the day, Micky. On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:24 +0200 you wrote: I thing mc is useless: Real men don't eat quique. Do not know what is quique, and i'm seems to me, not a real men, but the MC and it mceditor -- are a great

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 10, Issue 12

* On 2015 04 Jul 10:00 -0500, Roger Leigh wrote: Mostly agreed on all the points you made. But WRT the autotools, they are such a baroque collection of tools, requiring knowledge of a minimum of five languages to use effectively (Bourne shell, m4, make, autoconf and automake), I can't really

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

* On 2015 03 Jul 15:59 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Personally, I think that the only solution is the replacement of the package manager with something more akin to a version manager, where you can have multiple versions of the same binary package chains with differing dependencies based on

Re: [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

* On 2015 13 Jun 18:23 -0500, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: What part of systemd are these various (non-systemd) programs leveraging? Is it the sd-notify thingy? If it is that would imply a different course of action than if they are using many different features. I know that CUPS can be run

Re: [Dng] printing (was Re: Readiness notification)

* On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote: Laurent Bercot wrote: As for printing servers, I don't know, but I'd be surprised if cupsd was the only possibility. And if it actually is the only possibility, then we have a bigger problem than just sd_notify: it means that monopolies exist in

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 11:33 -0500, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:25:42 -0300 hellekin helle...@dyne.org wrote: the official Devuan network installer should not, IMO, support this case. It is not against users, but against manufacturers. So you want to punish users, for the

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 08:42 -0500, hellekin wrote: As Devuan offers a pretty easy and automated way to make a custom build, maybe we should take advantage of this, and provide a way for downloading non-free blobs during install, after the detection was made. This way would at least make users

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

* On 2015 03 Jun 16:55 -0500, alexus / dotcommon wrote: On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 20:37:22 +1200 Daniel Reurich dan...@centurion.net.nz wrote: Hi, I'd like a straw poll on whether we should include non-free firmware in our installers by default. So that people should fork Devuan to get a

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

Applause! Daniel, that is a well reasoned approach that puts the users first, gives them information, and gives them the choice. I think that is why we are here, at least I am. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

* On 2015 23 May 23:44 -0500, James Powell wrote: Remember Lennart's remarks about BSD? BSD isn't relevant anymore. It's a toy OS. Interesting quote considering OS/X is built on BSD and he is in the lead of the group chasing Apple's tail lights. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we

Re: [Dng] Systemd discussions at LinuxQuestions.

Well said, T.J. I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your missive. I will also add that now a technical disagreement seems to have morphed into somehow opposing the pet cause of various social justice warriors that now seem to be everywhere. One such recent example is from Debian

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

* On 2015 02 May 23:47 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 2 May 2015 09:03:30 -0700 DLL Hell trillodllh...@nativeweb.net wrote: For some reason the men in the Linux community who hate women the most seem to have taken a dislike to systemd. I understand that being “conservative” might

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

Hi Jeremy. Welcome to the wide, wide, world of Linux and in large measure POSIX. While I am not a distribution packager such as a Debian Developer, I do help maintain an upstream project that is in Debian so my perspective is a bit more broad than a single distribution. You wrote that you're

Re: [Dng] The new forum

Interesting observations, Go. I joined today and made a single post. I did like the split screen feature that shows a preview in real time. As for the theme, so long as it is logical to navigate I am not too concerned. Over the years I've used a lot of Vbulletin and PHPbb sites that have been

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

In my case I prefer OpenWRT which uses dnsmasq to handle the task of LAN IP assignments and name resolution. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 31 Mar 10:30 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: I think he was probably envisioning Redhat creating a from-scratch kernel. This would further differentiate Redhat, and would lock their users into Redhat. I think Nate's point is Redhat's scared to do that until Redhat has everyone ensnared in

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 30 Mar 06:37 -0500, etech3 wrote: Nate Did you read the devs name? According to Ivan Gotyaovich Umm, yes, which is partly the reason why I mention my skepticism. Remember, all good humor has a kernel of truth. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

* On 2015 30 Mar 12:05 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: Anyway, this little (disgusting) joke is revealing that some users that are currently tolerating the systemd-nonsense would be quite upset if the systemd-nonsense guys would decide to take the Linux kernel aboard (something that I personally think

[Dng] OT--Need to access a host behind CGNAT

As I've learned there is a good brain trust on this list, I have a somewhat interesting problem to solve. A few weeks ago due to circumstances beyond my control, I now have Internet access where I am behind Carrier Grade NAT. In other words, my router no longer has a publicly accessible IP

Re: [Dng] vdev status updates

* On 2015 18 Mar 10:40 -0500, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Sounds all very clean and nice. Kudos to Jude! Looking forward to using vdev* eventually Seconded. Thanks for your work the past several weeks, Jude. Good to have you aboard. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

* On 2015 05 Mar 07:22 -0600, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2015, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Mutt is on my todo-stack in case you fancy an out-of-the box setup of msmtp, fetchmail, mutt and notmuch search over maildirs plus abook integration, have a look at

Re: [Dng] plan to install valentine pre-alpha on real hardware.

* On 2015 28 Feb 07:56 -0600, Hendrik Boom wrote: As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, isohybrid did the trick. Oh, yeah, I remember that *now*. Slaps forehead! What I don't know is whether the isohybridized version of the .iso would still work on a CD. If so, it might be effective just

Re: [Dng] [OT] Debian problems with Jesse - was simple backgrounds

* On 2015 28 Feb 17:07 -0600, T.J. Duchene wrote: As for systemd having tentacles, there is certainly truth to that, but then the same argument could be said of Python or Perl. Both are rooted so far into standard distributions that it is hard to extract them. With all respect, T.J., those

Re: [Dng] What if systemd infects the kernel?

* On 2015 28 Feb 19:09 -0600, Go Linux wrote: Either this is an incredibly stupid question or it's the elephant in the room. Why not one response? This inquiring mind would like to know. golinux Actually, it's a good question and some food

Re: [Dng] idea for discussion: why 1 dbus [long e-mail]

* On 2015 25 Feb 10:03 -0600, Godefridus Daalmans wrote: Personally I consider task #2 to do a little discovery and documenting of what kinds of middle-ware I have on my Linux box and how it all interacts (things like: what is akonadi/nepomuk/colord/avahi and do I need all of that). Unless

Re: [Dng] KDE systemd lock-in

* On 2015 20 Feb 11:56 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:59:33 -0800 Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: We all knew this was coming . . . KDE Will Depend on 'logind' and 'timedated' in 6 Months https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/20/101235 Following on here

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

* On 2015 20 Feb 09:03 -0600, Didier Kryn wrote:     Guys, I don't think there is contradiction between server and desktop. There is a difference in the user base and installed applications, not in the OS. dbus and udev/eudev/mdev/vdev/ are just useful services which make life easier if they

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

* On 2015 17 Feb 16:48 -0600, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:41:12 -0500 Neo Futur d...@ww7.be wrote: Nate, could you please summarize Luke's question? I haven't been able to completely read any of his posts. its more than just a question, but you probably want :

Re: [Dng] pre alpha valentine (secret love declaration)

And yet I find it telling that none has so far answered Luke's question as to why they are not bothered about the recent changes and direction as he is. Was it bad for me to presume that no one would answer? - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

Re: [Dng] pre-alpha-valentine on qemu

* On 2015 16 Feb 12:40 -0600, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, it is a little slow without hardware acceleration: -enable-kvm is the solution here if you have recent Intel/AMD CPUs. Thanks for the tip. I had installed the package but was ignorant of its use (yes, I need to RTFM more often ;-). It

Re: [Dng] Nice feature for vdev

Steve, On Debian, at least, console fonts and sizes are set in /etc/default/console-setup and your distribution may have something similar. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more:

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