Re: [DNG] devuan chimaera and NUT shutdown failure

On 2022-04-10 2:18, Mark Hindley wrote: Nate, On Sat, Apr 09, 2022 at 09:55:45AM -0700, nate wrote: My Beowulf system has sysvinit (which shutdown appears to come from) version 2.93-8+devuan1 and my Chimeara system has 2.96-7+devuan1. Nothing stands out in the changelog for sysvinit to

[DNG] devuan chimaera and NUT shutdown failure

6). So I don't have an opinion one way or another to judge what the most correct behavior is. thanks nate ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

t; your /etc/hosts file, but really depends on how name resolution is > configured on your machine. > > Hope this helps, Thanks, Olaf. I just replied as it seemed like an interesting thought exercise. :-) - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

2018 /etc/hosts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 411 Mar 11 2016 /etc/hosts.allow -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 711 Mar 11 2016 /etc/hosts.deny On this particular machine the hostid is consistent with the IPv4 address of eth0. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we l

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

ax25 9c:60:9c:84:40:40:74 brd a2:a6:a8:40:40:40:00 pi@aprxpi:~$ hostid a8c03d19 In this case it appears to be setting the hostid to the IPv4 address of eth0. Hmmm. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimi

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

007f0200 > And if it is so,is it correct that it is? It looks to me as though Debian and most derivatives mostly have the same value. Perhaps this is a value that can be set when compiling glibc? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The

Re: [DNG] new freedesktop "standard": /etc/machine-id

system installation back in October. The machine has been rebooted a number of times since. I've not tried moving either and seeing what happens on the next system restart. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is t

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

Debian for almost ten years at the time, that was an eye opening experience. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: [DNG] RFC - Linux From Scratch

the "huge" kernel with most everything compiled in. Using the generic kernel in Slackware is a deliberate admin choice all the way from building the initrd itself (even though a helper script is supplied) to configuring /etc/lilo.conf. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that w

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

1.6G 2% /run/user/1000 Given my layout, the merged directories are not an issue but just look odd at first glance after 22 years of my seeing them as stand alone directories. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this i

Re: [DNG] A shift in systemd development

tatus/1056924336349691905 > > > > It wont do anything, he is trying to be funny and like systemd, > failing. Actually, I did chuckle as I got the joke. Maybe my German ancestry helped. Dunno. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible world

Re: [DNG] XFCE : can't open xsession-errors anymore (invalid UTF-8)

I would suggest trying Midnight Commander to view and alternately editing the file. Sometimes it must be configured to use its internal editor after installation or else it uses the system defined editor. Its internal editor can be switched to hex edit mode. - Nate -- "The optimist proc

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

A lot of sites have farmed that out to Google though a few, like the Emacs Wiki, have farmed it out to Duck Duck Go. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 Gi

Re: [DNG] Cannot find in mail archive: was Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

ature. Yes, that is my preferred format. To see a real UI disaster, look at the self-hosted archive of any mailing list hosted by SourceForge. The Hamlib mailing list is supposed to archived by GMane, but it has its own issues going back some months. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims tha

Re: [DNG] How to setup uboot with an initrd on ARM?

and mount them with fstab. Those directories have the most writes on this application and this should prolong the life of the micro SD card. The nice thing about the Linux system is its versatility which lend itself nicely to solving various problems in multiple ways. - Nate -- "The opt

[DNG] How to setup uboot with an initrd on ARM?

fs to /dev/sda2 (yes, that's how it is identified when plugged in as /dev/sda1 is a swap partition) that is now connected via USB rather than SATA. This is the same setup as before only the SSD would be connected via the USB port rather than the failing SATA port. All help is appreciated! - Nate

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

omain listing for years. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

this time there is only the PayPal.me link that Pat provided as a means of helping him and his family out as detailed in this post: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/donating-to-slackware-4175634729/page11.html#post5883695 - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live i

Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware

onably certain that it is Patrick's PayPal as he posted the link in the Linux Questions thread using his LQ account. When I made a donation it had his picture on the page. At this time I am confident that he received the money I sent. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live

Re: [DNG] Educating people (Was: One week into Devuan 2.0 ASCII -- Some stats)

o date the manufacturer's Web site states that 32 bit compatibility libraries are required. Some users may make the choice to simply install a 32 bit distribution as a result. My suggestion, and solution, is to spin up a 32 bit VM to run the utilities for the odd time that I need them. -

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

rickmoen (1322) > > Karma: Excellent > > ;-> Well, Nate B. (2907) Karma: Excellent As I dilly dallied around for a few days I ended up with a four digit number. Had I been on the ball, well... I hardly check the site any more. Just looking at it this morning, it's a

Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub

d all such spam to /dev/null. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

systemd won't be done until it can read mail, apparently. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature.asc Description

Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

e) on a laptop with Plasma5 packaged by alienbob and no systemd in sight. Plasma5 is quite clearly capable of full functionality on a system completely lacking a systemd installation. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears

Re: [DNG] Linus Torvalds may have damned systemd with faint praise

* On 2018 14 May 21:16 -0500, leonard ashley wrote: > Interesting post on The Register > > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/ That article is ten months old. Have there been any developments since? Nope? Okay, everyone keep up the good work. Carry on. - Nate

Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

me, I don't know. Answers may be available at: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB signature

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

lved satisfactorily had mattatobin taken a friendlier approach when he opened the issue. Instead he doubled down and the main developer didn't call him out so that reveals a lot about the project developers. Just like LP, this isn't a group I would care to deal with as a packager. - Nate

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

d his i's and crossed his t's. Are they based in the US? Have they made such application in the EU or other jurisdiction? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

I have been using Waterfox of late which is *supposed* to be stripping that sort of nonsense out. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB sig

Re: [DNG] pua

> override' to block its own removal? > > What's 'pua'? Pick Up Artist? https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pua ;-) - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." H

[DNG] Xfce 4.12 broken with Zaphod heads mode

ideas before I move this upstream? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Description: Digital signature __

Re: [DNG] Debian Devs using OSx? was Devuan in the German Wikipedia

blog posts years ago from "Linux" devs in love with their Macbook. It was a rather embarrassing thing to observe. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bike

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

naturally slow down. Especially when one considers that the replaced services have been around for years, or even decades and are likely quite well debugged and optimized while the SD replacements are new code with a lot maturation needed. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the bes

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

sive fetchmail manual page and the -d/--daemon that fetchmail honors for daemon mode. I have been using it in this manner for nearly *decades*. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bike

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

* On 2017 10 Nov 02:40 -0600, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > >I've also used Procmail for an > >equal length of time and it is now claimed to be "unmaintained". > > Who claims that? Some months back I was looking for some tips on a recipe

Re: [DNG] Different philosophies

ldir "mailboxes" for Mutt. It all "works like a hose" as one electronics instructor was fond of saying years back. I like Devuan and Slackware for the same reasons. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears

Re: [DNG] Getting to know Chris Lamb

ncountered some warts that should be addressed. This is why I think that derivatives sometimes get more attention as Chris laments. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux,

Re: [DNG] armhf support?

a very minimal jessie installation to ascii is possible. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.as

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

ran 'ifdown eth0' then 'ifup eth0' and it worky! I can ping, SSH into the box, and use apt-get. Now I just need to get those parameters set before networking is started. Hope this helps someone else. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all pos

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

he recipe for compiling all this yourself, if > you prefer. Thanks for your gracious offer, Giovanni. I will keep it in mind if I find a reason for a newer kernel. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true.&qu

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 13 Oct 03:36 -0500, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > On 13-10-17 06:42, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 09:01:05PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >>The Pi is unreliable with > >>a USB hard drive what with its USB and Ethernet being on s

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

solutely quiet. Its fan isn't obnoxious, but it is still audible. My holy grail is to have all of the computers I own as quiet as my first Color Computer 2! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true.&qu

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

s stable and parazyd releases new images, I'll try it again. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Description: Digital signat

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

* On 2017 12 Oct 07:31 -0500, Adam Sampson wrote: > Hi Nate, > > Nate Bargmann writes: > > > I just received a Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) board [...] The > > problem is that the ethernet port simply isn't passing traffic (it > > works just fine with the Ol

Re: [DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

houldn't be an issue on my LAN as my DHCP server would just assign the next available IPv4 address from its pool. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://w

[DNG] Allwinner Olimex OLinuXino MICRO (A20) Devuan Jessie no Ethernet

;s link was not ready. If there is a better venue to ask about this, please let me know. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Descr

Re: [DNG] Yunit

* On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann: > > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system. > >Services, yes, an init, not so much. > > Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot

Re: [DNG] Yunit

ems. I read the forum post link as though the developer will have it completely supporting (depending on?) systemd. The second link returns nothing found for me. I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system. Services, yes, an init, not so much. - Nate -- "The optimist pr

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

always have /home on a separate partition as it makes it easier to do many of the steps you described. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us sig

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

e you got to SSD, make sure your backups are kept well up to > date. I know this is good advice all the time, but while spinning rust > very often gives warning signs before failing, SSD often "just die" > with no warning. I need to finish my rsnapshot server. :-) - N

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

has a 3 year warranty. Currently the lappie has a 250 GB spinner that is working just fine. I figure that over sizing the drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid assumption, however. Thanks. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

itory for me and I'd like to make a good choice and set it up properly. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Descriptio

Re: [DNG] /dev/ttyUSBn moving around after wake from suspend

> ... > Jul 10 04:09:09 me kernel: [6.545480] usb 1-1.1.3: I've tried to key on this: for persistent naming. My success may be poor due to having a couple of external USB hubs that get reordered on boot. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims tha

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 20:41 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 05:34:29PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I believe the Google slogan was "Don't be evil." "First, do no harm" is > from the English translaation of the Hippocratic Oath. Sigh. Just l

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

* On 2017 10 Jul 14:24 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 01:53:09PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Just because the code is GPL, > > it seems fine by him. > > Sorry, but I really don't see what RMS should do h

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

om what I can observe). Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Just because the code is GPL, it seems fine by him. As for Linus, I think he'll only do something if he is given an ultimatum of supporting only SD's flavor of the week API. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that

Re: [DNG] slashpackage?

* On 2017 04 Jul 19:46 -0500, Florian Zieboll wrote: > Am 4. Juli 2017 20:23:28 MESZ schrieb Nate Bargmann : > >* On 2017 04 Jul 13:17 -0500, Joel Roth wrote: > >> > >> Nix is also relevant. > > > >As is Guix. > > > I'd be really curious

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

* On 2017 04 Jul 18:59 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Nate Bargmann (n...@n0nb.us): > > > * On 2017 04 Jul 13:27 -0500, Evilham wrote: > > > > Well, it still doesn't read mail. > > > > Or does it? > > Well, it _does_ now include a shell interp

Re: [DNG] systemd allows elevated access from unit files?

//www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-sysusers.html Well, it still doesn't read mail. Or does it? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radi

Re: [DNG] slashpackage?

it for a time but I guess I'm just too locked into the traditional FHS used by most Linux distributions over the years to feel comfortable with it. I am NOT looking forward to having to deal with usr merge when that is forced down our throats! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 01 Jul 11:47 -0500, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 1 Jul 2017 10:25:20 -0500 > Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > fate accompli > > "Fate" > is very apposite in the circumstance One misspell and a person's reputation is shot forever! :-) - Nate --

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

ing all the time, so not much was gained. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Description: Digital signature _

Re: [DNG] systemd: good riddance!

* On 2017 30 Jun 00:55 -0500, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Maybe it's me, but what the hell is a DNS resolver doing inside an init > system? The same thing that a time sync (NTP) daemon is doing in there... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

Hey, hey, hey! What did my K3 do to deserve that? Oh wait, you wrote K3s. Carry on. ;-) - Nate, N0NB P.S. "W5dbus", "K3systemd". I LOL'ed! -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

t we're talking past each other and I'll go back and reread some of the posts after things have had a chance to settle a bit in my head. It's also hot outside and we're doing wheat harvest here at the farm so I'm probably reading too fast. :-D - Nate -- "The o

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

ted the project to support GNOME in full. Devuan has chosen another path. Please respect that. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us __

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

I've read that link and a few more of his posts since a few times over the years. I've not found any fault in his reasoning yet. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, b

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

* On 2017 20 Jun 10:59 -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 09:12:39AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > > > A few years ago I took over maintenance of a handy application of > > interest to radio amateurs. It had been dropped from Debian due to a > > c

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

point them to Debian and bid them a good day. Other distributions are doing just fine without SD/GNOME. I think we can as well. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

an. Since I also use Slackware, I think it's useful to look over the fence and see how Patrick Volkerding, et. al. are handling things in this brave new world. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

I emailed a followup to 6...@bugs.devuan.org and received an acknowledgment from the BTS but the message has not appeared on the bug's Web page. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Li

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

* On 2017 05 Jun 02:07 -0500, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi Nate, > > thanks for your email. The issue is known. That string is saying you > that reportbug was unable to fetch existing relevant bugs from > bugs.devuan.org. The reason is that reportbug expects to find a SOAP >

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

in novice mode. Detected character set: UTF-8 Please change your locale if this is incorrect. Using 'Nate Bargmann ' as your from address. Getting status for flashplugin-nonfree... Will send report to Devuan (per lsb_release). Querying Devuan BTS for reports on flashplugin-nonfree (source)

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable LTS

Congratulations! A few months ago I had concluded the project was moribund, if not almost dead. Nice way to prove me wrong. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and

Re: [DNG] Systemd-Illness in procps.

If there is no technical reason for it, is it spite? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng ma

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

ers. I guess this should have been the warning shot that indicated that Linux was no longer being developed by/for the hobbyist/DIYer. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and m

Re: [DNG] Systemdconf

That was preceeded by, "Automotive startup and device management". Uhh, nope, not for me. I wonder when they discussed rounding up and reeducating all the Unix gray beards? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears

Re: [DNG] A succinct description of why I avoid systemd

7a5 Stuck behind a pay wall. Fair use should allow you to post those relevant parts by citing their source, of course. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linu

Re: [DNG] Firefox nightly [now] requires Pulse Audio

trying to manage audio settings. I find PA truly useful these days. Yes, I'm using Devuan Jessie. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

later" clause does not bind you, the original author to the any later version. The clause only applies to licensees of your package. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true.&

Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]

Yup, one distribution (he signed with "Red Hat" so was presumably speaking on their behalf) being dictatorial toward the rest. I don't recall that being the foundation the Linux Community was built on when I discovered it 20 years ago. - Nate (Obsolete greybeard) ((But I don

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

I chose the second option as it does need a bit more work WRT Network Manager a few small nits. I'm confident these will be completed soon. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux,

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

; See Section 6: > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html Even so, a tarball with nothing but the source files--no build files--would satisfy that requirement. Certainly, there is no requirement for the development history and patch changes to be released so long as the distributed binary *coul

Re: [DNG] Time sync at startup (was: vdev)

ormally it doesn't bother, but when you're mucking > about with machines you can run into this problem. Interesting. I've done plenty of installs or boots without a network and don't recall ntp blocking the system startup, at least on Debian and derivatives. I run it on all my

Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end

m now into a Git repository as all of the history will be preserved that way if needed, things can be cherry picked into other projects as needed (so long as licensing terms are compatible). They can only shut us out if we allow them to. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the b

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

ox with embedded Web servers that *only* work with older versions of IE. It's already causing some issues for us and will get worse as time goes on. I suspect a number of lower profile websites will continue to employ Flash for a long time to come. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims t

Re: [DNG] pepperflashplugin-nonfree

; > $ uname -a > Linux netbook1 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.6.3-1~bpo8+1 > (2016-07-13) i686 GNU/Linux > > Hmmm, why not a 32 bit version? But indeed, that's the problem... Isn't Pepper Flash a part of Chromium/Chrome? I seem to recall that 32 bit support

Re: [DNG] Help with ALSA, Pulseaudio and Mumble on Devuan

makes PA a useful tool for me. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

And, for anyone interested, here is the output of aptitude after the backports repository has been disabled: $ sudo aptitude install libgtkhtml-4.0-0:i386 The following NEW packages will be installed: at-spi2-core{a} glib-networking:i386{a} libaspell15:i386{ab} libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386{a} libats

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

[Not Installed] 32) libxml2:i386 [Not Installed] Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q Abandoning all efforts to resolve these dependencies. Abort. That is quite a lot longer list than before enabling the backports main repository. - Nate -- &quo

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

ory in the backports stanza. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] Multiarch issues

Anyone? Wrong list? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne

[DNG] Multiarch issues

libgtkhtml-4.0-common, it is shown as architecture 'all'. Even trying to install the amd64 (default for my system) doesn't help. Is this a Debian bug? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true."

Re: [DNG] Devuan Sticker Poll

ot control. No offense intended to > the lawyers among us: someone has to take the heat and stand everybody > else's ground. Thanks for the chuckle! If the logo is indeed a registered trademark, then the circled R may be required. Probably varies among jurisdictions. IANAL, etc.

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

ion has improved much: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bike

Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd

ce?' GTK 3 is a dead end for anything not GNOME by design. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

* On 2016 27 Jul 12:03 -0500, Brian Nash wrote: > I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I > forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. I see you're using Mutt. The L command will initiate a reply to the list. - Nate -- &q

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

* On 2016 08 Jul 09:18 -0500, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > > I may have swerved into the solution: > > > > ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" > > > > > &g

Re: [DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

I may have swerved into the solution: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", KERNELS=="1-1.4:1.0", SYMLINK+="ttyUSB99" Time will tell if it survives a reboot... - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

[DNG] Pulling my hair out over a udev rule

1.0 ID_SERIAL=Prolific_Technology_Inc._USB-Serial_Controller I'm lost. I can provide more info on request. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___

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