On 09/04/2015 10:37, Jaromil wrote:
a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only.
That's really a shame, because I would love to have access to that list -
even read-only. Isn't it possible to open subscriptions while keeping
posts moderated ? (posts from devs would be
Author: Martijn Dekkers
Date: 2015-04-08 00:35 -400
To: dng@lists.dyne.org
Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list
Personally, my view is that there is no cost or significant effort to the
project for splitting to -dev and -user. Those who are not interested in
either of these lists don't have to subscribe
On Thu 09 April 2015 02:20:16 hellekin wrote:
*** I see another two groups: people who want to work together and build
something different that won't end up in an isolated technical committee
in their ivory towers, and bullies.
Sorry that's not to the point. Nobody at all talked about
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 10:20 +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
I am neither the first, nor will I be the last, to ask for a -dev
list.
*** I see another two groups: people who want to work together and
build something different that won't end up in an isolated technical
committee in their ivory
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
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You can now count me amongst those in the fuck it, this is a waste of
time camp. Good luck with your forum, your everyone use one list or GTFO
attitude, the constant off-list clique forming and gossipy emails about
list
On Thu, Apr 09, 2015 at 10:20:19AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and from
the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people running the
project.
dyne.org != devun
dyne.org != VUAs
dyne.org is helping VUAs and
That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons,
like
others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of
because I
said so
It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's not even a single release, only
a dozen or so regular participants, and you already
On Thu, 2015-04-09 at 12:00 +0200, Laurent Bercot wrote:
For what is worth - and at risk of adding fuel to the fire, but
I am just voicing my impressions and you guys will do what you want
with it:
Please direct me to the place where the technical discussions are
happening; if they're
For what is worth - and at risk of adding fuel to the fire, but
I am just voicing my impressions and you guys will do what you want
with it:
I have subscribed to this list five days ago, hoping to see technical
discussions about how to design a distribution without systemd. I am
the author of
Oh wait, it wasn't offlist.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:13 AM, Martijn Dekkers
devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote:
The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a
bogus argument. Similar to Lots of people jump of bridges, care to
join them?
Thats just uninformed bullshit.
On Thu 09 April 2015 11:27:45 Franco Lanza wrote:
all of those open to anyone, without restriction on WHO can join, but
with restriction on WHAT can be considered in topic and what not.
(plus all the rest)
Absolutely to the point. Thanks! Exactly what we see everywhere else
*WORKING*.
And
hi,
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Brad Campbell wrote:
On 09/04/15 23:56, Laurent Bercot wrote:
On 09/04/2015 10:37, Jaromil wrote:
a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only.
That's really a shame, because I would love to have access to that list -
even read-only. Isn't it
Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey:
Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because
of
the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have
to
wade
through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I
Jude Nelson wrote on 04/07/15 20:04:
suggest that Pottering is evil,
Definitely looking forward to this stopping.
Agreed. It accomplishes nothing but heat up the list and add to the static.
RE: Development list:
Since there is way more general chit-chat, how about having the
FYI, I've been working on a Discourse instance for Devuan, so that we
can have the best of both worlds (email and forum). If this happens,
the developers can simply ignore threads they're not interested in and
keep focused on work. The forum form is likely to grow beyond what any
single person
On 04/08/2015 07:44 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
We got #debianfork and #devuan IRC channels for pretty much the same reasons,
and it seems it sort of works there. So for ML that would be the natural
template to follow.
*** Except the move from IRC to email matches in nature the move from
On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
We do not need another list.
That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like
others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of because I
said so
It's not arrogant, it's a fact. There's not even a
On 04/09/2015 01:17 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
The reason the vast majority of projects use separate lists is because it
*works* [dev] tagged topics don't work very well, because in most cases,
people tend to forget, or change the subjectline, or whatever.
*** I agree that Mailman's topics
We do not need another list.
That's pretty arrogant. Can you back that up with some actual reasons, like
others in this discussion are doing? Or is this simply a case of because I
said so
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Apollia wrote:
I'm also glad there is a forum: http://talk.devuan.org/
I actually prefer forums over mailing lists in general because forums
seem to be more organized, which makes it easier for people to avoid
anything they're uninterested in.
I didn't realize we had a forum. And I agree
should we just retire the mailing list(s) and start using the forum?
...I don't even...
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On 04/08/2015 09:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
I make the following pledge to make sure I don't cause or continue conflict
or noise on Dng:
1) I will not respond, at least on-list, to any thread discussing the
merits or shames of systemd. I will either ignore, respond offlist, or
filter and
On Wed, Apr 08, 2015 at 05:47:25PM -0300, hellekin wrote:
On 04/08/2015 11:57 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
Rather than dividing the list between developers and users,
it would be better to divide them betwen technical and nontechnical.
*** We could use mailman's topics for that. When you want
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 19:16:34 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800
Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
list(s) and start using the forum?
Please dont; with a
On Thu 09 April 2015 05:44:41 Robert Storey wrote:
Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
list(s) and start using the forum?
Real Programmers dont use Forum
On a less joking comment:
the ML is the medium of choice for serious communication, simply since you
don't need a
The «long standing, wide-ranging implementation pattern» thing is a
bogus argument. Similar to Lots of people jump of bridges, care to
join them?
Thats just uninformed bullshit. Patterns are one of the cornerstones of
modern computing architecture - without patterns everybody will be doomed
On Thu, 9 Apr 2015 05:44:41 +0800
Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
Which begs the question: should we just retire the mailing
list(s) and start using the forum?
Please dont; with a mailing list one can keep locally the messages that seem
interesting, for later reference.
If you
Hi,
Just me being picky here.
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Martijn Dekkers
devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote:
The flip side is those that say don't split the lists - there again is no
significant cost to subscribing to both both lists, and follow and
participate in both lists if they so
we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins,
gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving
On 7 April 2015 at 09:45, Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote:
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:25:47AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
Hi,
I know this has come up a
Hi,
I know this has come up a few times in the past, but I would really like to
see a dev specific list, with some strict dev-only rules. The
Drama-to-Noise ratio is getting pretty high pretty frequently, and IRC just
doesn't work for many people.
pretty-please? I am happy to donate time, effort
On Tue, 07 Apr 2015, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins,
gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving
ok, but please keep patient a little while more because the preparations
of the alpha release are in the way, once
awesome, many thanks!
On 7 April 2015 at 14:11, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote:
On Tue, 07 Apr 2015, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins,
gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving
ok, but please keep patient a
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers
devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote:
I know this has come up a few times in the past, but I would really like to
see a dev specific list, with some strict dev-only rules.
I disagree, this will mean the devs will self-segregate and tend to
ignore
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 01:09:55PM -0700, Go Linux wrote:
On Tue, 4/7/15, Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote:
Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list
To: dng Dng@lists.dyne.org
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 2:19 PM
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers
devuan-li
On Wed 08 April 2015 01:45:20 Jürgen Buchmüller wrote:
I'd love to see ancient, unwritten, yet useful rules being adhered to on
Quote relevant parts of the original message. Cut out irrelevant stuff.
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Use proper quotes; no TOFU and no HTML, ever
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Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of
the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to
wade
through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I would
sign up
to see what's happening but it's unlikely I would participate
Am Dienstag, den 07.04.2015, 20:19 +0100 schrieb Nuno Magalhães:
I disagree, this will mean the devs will self-segregate and tend to
ignore users.
Having both camps in the same list evens each other out.
I'd love to see ancient, unwritten, yet useful rules being adhered to on
this list then.
suggest that Pottering is evil,
Definitely looking forward to this stopping. Seriously, it's not Lennart's
fault that Debian decided to switch to systemd. If you want to blame
anyone for this, blame the CTTE, the DDs who voted against init freedom in
the GR, and the systemd fanbois who
All good points. However, having a -dev list really does have some
significant benefits.
- Firstly, as already mentioned, it allows for the chatter to be separated
from the work.
- Secondly, it allows for aggregating commit and update messages from
gitlab, jenkins, the infrastructure at large
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote:
Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of
the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to
wade
through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.)
Sorry if I added to
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