Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On Aug 26, 2008, at 02:15 , Masataka Ohta wrote: Could you elaborate on how fast converging routing protocols can be a problem? Well I believe it was in our case as we did observe some strange behaviour when starting to test with anycast DNS. Anycast TCP fails only when route changes

[DNSOP] The sad fate of T/TCP (Was: deprecating dangerous bit patterns and non-TC non-AXFR)

2008-08-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:17:21AM +0200, Francis Dupont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 14 lines which said: it seems T/TCP is dead because of some security issues. Correct (RFC 4614, section 5) but, unfortunately, these issues were apparently never properly documented (no T/TCP

Re: [DNSOP] request for early feedback: NAPTR or SRV records in top-level domains?

2008-08-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 05:57:52AM +0200, Patrik Fältström wrote: Personally, I think in this case it is better to for example have a URI RR (see draft-faltstrom-uri-01.txt) that refer to some XML blob where the policy is presented. I should have been clearer. If I were

Re: [DNSOP] The sad fate of T/TCP

2008-08-26 Thread Florian Weimer
* Stephane Bortzmeyer: it seems T/TCP is dead because of some security issues. Correct (RFC 4614, section 5) but, unfortunately, these issues were apparently never properly documented (no T/TCP deprecated RFC) and it is hard to find a reference to a description of these security problems.

Re: [DNSOP] request for early feedback: NAPTR or SRV records in top-level domains?

2008-08-26 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 26 aug 2008, at 14.23, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I should have been clearer. If I were to go down this path, the point of the NAPTR or SRV (or now URI, or whatever other kind of) RR would actually be just to provide the place to look up the policy (and maybe how), rather than to provide the

Re: [DNSOP] The sad fate of T/TCP

2008-08-26 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:41:55PM +0200, Florian Weimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a message of 50 lines which said: I think it's CERT VU#464113, Other references I've found on T/TCP (in)security: http://www.mid-way.org/doc/ttcp-sec.txt http://seclists.org/bugtraq/1998/Apr/0034.html

[DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Paul Hoffman
http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46987-1.html Government agencies must take new measures by January 2009 to ensure the Domain Name System security extensions on top level .gov Web site domains are signed, and that processes for securing sub-domains are developed, according to a memorandum

[DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Joe Baptista
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46987-1.html Government agencies must take new measures by January 2009 to ensure the Domain Name System security extensions on top level .gov Web site domains are signed, and that

Re: [DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Roy Arends
On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:03 PM, Joe Baptista wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Paul Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/46987-1.html Government agencies must take new measures by January 2009 to ensure the Domain Name System security extensions on top

[DNSOP] Anycast TCP DNS stability was Re: Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Masataka Ohta wrote: Dean Anderson wrote: I recently read David Blacka's blog entry on Anycast, where Blacka asserted that Anycast had to be proven UNstable before anyone should consider stability questions. Blacka suggests that non-root operators had no experience

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Brian Dickson wrote: Dean Anderson wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2008, Dean Anderson wrote: Ok. But when you resign using arbitrary data controlled by the attacker, the private key can be obtained. [There is a crypto attack on rekeying] OOPS!!. Rekeying is out of

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Ralf Weber wrote: It should be noted that unicast TCP is unstable if unicast routing is unstable. Yes, but TCP usually adapts to the problem while anycast can't, as it may reach another target. Large UDP packets (think EDNSO DNSSEC as a good example of large UDP

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:44:08PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: I don't think I can give the exact correct mathematics without using a book--and I don't have my crypto library right now--so I'll try to armwave a bit: If you're claiming that, after 10 years and review unto death, people with

Re: [DNSOP] A different question

2008-08-26 Thread Matt Larson
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: David do you have a nameserver we can bounce queries off which has the root zone signed as it would be in production? VeriSign's root DNSSEC testbed is serving a root zone that is not modified

Re: [DNSOP] A different question

2008-08-26 Thread David Conrad
On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Matt Larson wrote: Note that the root-servers.net zone as configured on root.verisignlabs.com is not signed, since the root-servers.net zone would not be signed, nor would it need to be, if the root were signed. Sorry. Perhaps I need more caffeine. Why not?

Re: [DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Roy Arends wrote: This will be a very interesting experiment. And finally a good test of DNSSEC. Great for consultants. Why would this be experimental or test? Why 'finally'. This implies DNSSEC has not been deployed or been tested 'good' before. Has DNSSEC been

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On Aug 26, 2008, at 21:02 , Dean Anderson wrote: Large UDP packets (think EDNSO DNSSEC as a good example of large UDP packets almost certain to be fragmented) suffer the same problem, as they can be fragmented by PMTU discovery. The server (operating system) has to maintain UDP state

Re: [DNSOP] A different question

2008-08-26 Thread Matt Larson
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, David Conrad wrote: On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Matt Larson wrote: Note that the root-servers.net zone as configured on root.verisignlabs.com is not signed, since the root-servers.net zone would not be signed, nor would it need to be, if the root were signed. Sorry.

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:44:08PM -0400, Dean Anderson wrote: I don't think I can give the exact correct mathematics without using a book--and I don't have my crypto library right now--so I'll try to armwave a bit: If you're claiming that,

Re: [DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 26, 2008, at 1:06 PM, Dean Anderson wrote: How could their testing and analysis be considered 'thorough' or credible when they didn't find the very serious flaws just recently identified on this list? To summarize, the two flaws to which you refer are: (1) there is no cryptographic

Re: [DNSOP] Cache poisoning on DNSSEC

2008-08-26 Thread Mark Andrews
Large UDP packets (think EDNSO DNSSEC as a good example of large UDP packets almost certain to be fragmented) suffer the same problem, as they can be fragmented by PMTU discovery. The server (operating system) has to maintain UDP state for PMTUD to work. If the ICMP fragmentation needed is

Re: [DNSOP] A different question

2008-08-26 Thread Mark Andrews
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: David do you have a nameserver we can bounce queries off which has the root zone signed as it would be in production? VeriSign's root DNSSEC testbed is serving a root zone that

Re: [DNSOP] A different question

2008-08-26 Thread Mark Andrews
On Aug 26, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Matt Larson wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, David Conrad wrote: On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:08 PM, Matt Larson wrote: Note that the root-servers.net zone as configured on root.verisignlabs.com is not signed, since the root-servers.net zone would not be signed, nor

Re: [DNSOP] Another TLD intending to sign soon

2008-08-26 Thread Joe Baptista
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Roy Arends [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be a very interesting experiment. And finally a good test of DNSSEC. Great for consultants. Why would this be experimental or test? Why 'finally'. This implies DNSSEC has not been deployed or been tested