Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Kevin Darcy
William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: > > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Conrad >> writes: >> At his point, I will sit quietly for a while and let the WG comment on whether they think that your proposed alternative mitigation i

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Conrad > writes: >>> At his point, I will sit quietly for a while and let the WG comment >>> on whether they think that your proposed >>> alternative mitigation is adequate. On Friday, the WG chairs will >>> gauge con

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Conrad writes: > [cc's cleaned up] > > Hi, > > > At his point, I will sit quietly for a while and let the WG comment > > on whether they think that your proposed > > alternative mitigation is adequate. On Friday, the WG chairs will > > gauge consensus a

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread David Conrad
[cc's cleaned up] Hi, > At his point, I will sit quietly for a while and let the WG comment > on whether they think that your proposed > alternative mitigation is adequate. On Friday, the WG chairs will > gauge consensus and I will take appropriate action. Given the stunningly successful imp

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 04:19:47PM -0400, Ron Bonica wrote: > Thanks for this proposal. At his point, I will sit quietly for a while > and let the WG comment on whether they think that your proposed > alternative mitigation is adequate. My view is that recommending closing open recursors is a wa

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Dean Anderson wrote: > > > > The fabrications made for this document amount to fraud on the public. > > > > Be careful about this kind of statement. In any interesting technical > > discussion, we all run the risk of being wrong. I'm wrong sometimes and > > I am sure that you

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Ron Bonica
Dean, Thanks for this proposal. At his point, I will sit quietly for a while and let the WG comment on whether they think that your proposed alternative mitigation is adequate. On Friday, the WG chairs will gauge consensus and I will take appropriate action. Ron De

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ron Bonica wrote: > > Your assertion that false statements, contrived attacks, discredited > > sources, and lack of evidence of harm, are somehow not legitimate > > reasons to dispute a document is also without basis, and indeed is > > refuted by IESG actions in TLS-AUTHZ. > >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Ron Bonica wrote: > Bill, > > That why in the next paragraph I said: > > > If you think that you have an alternative plan for mitigating this > > attack, you might be able to resurrect open resolvers with a new draft > > that describes this mitigation. > > Also, if Dean feel

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Ron Bonica
Bill, That why in the next paragraph I said: > If you think that you have an alternative plan for mitigating this > attack, you might be able to resurrect open resolvers with a new draft > that describes this mitigation. Also, if Dean feels that the alternative mitigation is so compelling that h

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Ron Bonica
Dean Anderson wrote: > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Ron Bonica wrote: > >> Do you deny that the vulnerabilities described in this document *could* >> be exploited? If this is your claim, and you can substantiate it, the WG >> will entertain your objection. > > I'm asserting that whatever vulnerabilities

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Ron Bonica
Folks, Someone on DNSOPS points out that I am calendar challenged. September 5 has already past. I meant to say Friday, September 12. Ron Ron Bonica wrote: > Dean, > > On the surface, I deem your objection to be without merit. Unless you > can convince me othe

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-ietf-dnsop-reflectors-are-evil-06.txt

2008-09-09 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Ron Bonica wrote: > Do you deny that the vulnerabilities described in this document *could* > be exploited? If this is your claim, and you can substantiate it, the WG > will entertain your objection. I'm asserting that whatever vulnerabilities that do exist can be mitigated in