Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Olaf Kolkman
On Feb 23, 2010, at 8:20 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: * Olaf Kolkman: 5.3.3. NSEC3 Salt The salt with NSEC3 is not used to increase the work required by an attacker attacking multiple domains, but as a method to enable creating a new set of hash values if at some point that might be

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Florian Weimer wrote: hashes. However, NSEC records are sometimes returned in response to DO=0 queries, Wouldn't that be an implementation bug? Paul ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Nicholas Weaver wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:26 AM, Todd Glassey wrote: Sorry folks - but disclosure is the rule - so something about the potential hash collision needs to be in the document and there are liability issues for the people and their sponsor's involved who

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Evan Hunt
hashes. However, NSEC records are sometimes returned in response to DO=0 queries, Wouldn't that be an implementation bug? Not if it was an ANY query. Otherwise, yes. -- Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org Internet Systems Consortium, Inc. ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Roy Arends
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: hashes. However, NSEC records are sometimes returned in response to DO=0 queries, Wouldn't that be an implementation bug? Not if it was an ANY query. Otherwise, yes. Or an NSEC query. Roy ___

[DNSOP] Hues

2010-02-23 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 07:09:12AM -0800, Todd Glassey wrote: As I have said, there is no difference between this and the Jim Crow actions which separated blacks from the white population in then US and the application of the concept of racially unfit parties as Trolls within the IETF,

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/23/10 07:42, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Doug Barton wrote: My thoughts are sort of leaning in the direction that a very brief mention of the issue combined with a reference to what Evan quoted in 5155 (which seems to handle the issue well) is probably the right direction

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010, Doug Barton wrote: Because NSEC3 uses a hash function there is an unimaginably small chance that two different hostnames could produce the same hash output, and and even smaller chance that such a collision could be exploitable by an attacker. This issue SHOULD NOT be a

Re: [DNSOP] Hues

2010-02-23 Thread Joe Baptista
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:26 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: within the IETF, which also of course brings us to the question of how many people of color are management within the IETF?. All of them. No person that I am aware of in the ietf management chain are

Re: [DNSOP] Hues

2010-02-23 Thread Jay Daley
If it isn't bad enough that we're arguing about the inclusion of infinitesimally small probabilities as risks for DNSSEC, moving onto issues of race and colour is so much worse. This subject is entirely out of scope for this list and there are other lists it can move to. warmest regards Jay

[DNSOP] OpenDNS today announced it has adopted DNSCurve to secure DNS

2010-02-23 Thread Joe Baptista
Have you boys seen this yet? http://twitter.com/joebaptista/status/9555178362 regards joe baptista ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] rfc4641bis: NSEC vs NSEC3.

2010-02-23 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/23/2010 1:40 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: 4641bis is DNSSEC Operational Practices. Why add something and then immediatley say SHOULD NOT be a factor? You snipped the bit that answered this question. The fact that very smart people who know the protocol well even took time to discuss the issue