Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
Petr Špaček writes: > I will provide the opposite opinion: > DP bit is not *needed* for EDE. > > If I'm proven wrong in future we can specify DP bit in a separate > document and update EDE RFC. That's actually what we did Petr (DP is in a separate draft and may or may not even try for adoption)

[DNSOP] Draft Minutes for IETF106

2019-11-21 Thread Tim Wicinski
All Draft minutes have been uploaded, with many thanks to Paul Hoffman. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-106-dnsop/ Please take a look and make sure nothing looks incorrect,. thanks Tim DNSOP WG IETF 106, Singapore Chairs: Suzanne Woolf, Tim Wicinski, Benno Overeinder Minutes taken by P

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Ray Bellis
On 21/11/2019 15:37, Ben Schwartz wrote: > I would suggest adding a requirement to the EDE draft that EDE be > the last option in OPT And what if some other future option wants to lay claim to that requirement? > Then as a client, I can easily detect this situation, because the > truncation p

Re: [DNSOP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements-08.txt

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 2:50 AM Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > > Please find our draft that provides recommendations for DNSSEC resolvers > Operators. Any comment is appreciated! > > Yours, > Daniel > > -Original Message- > From: internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019

[DNSOP] On draft-arends-private-use-tld

2019-11-21 Thread Roy Arends
Hi WG, Thank you all for that great feed-back I’ve gotten today during and after my presentation on the use of ISO-3166-1 Alpha-2 User Assigned codes for the purpose of private space names. I’m looking forward to discuss the idea here on the list and will incorporate improvements and new ideas

Re: [DNSOP] On .ZZ

2019-11-21 Thread Bill Woodcock
> On Nov 21, 2019, at 12:18 AM, Brian Dickson > wrote: > IMHO, there is *no* reason not to advance .zz For the record, I think it’s a really bad idea to start re-purposing the ISO user-assigned codes. Just as bad an idea as if they started re-purposing 1918 space.

Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-14

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:35 PM Tim Wicinski via Datatracker < nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > Tim Wicinski has requested publication of > draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-14 as Best Current Practice on behalf of > the DNSOP working group. > > Please verify the document's state at > https://datatrack

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:19 AM Petr Špaček wrote: > On 21. 11. 19 9:49, Wes Hardaker wrote: > > Wes Hardaker writes: > > > >>> I think our simplest and most appealing option would be to treat EDE > >>> exactly like any existing EDNS Option (i.e. set the TC bit). > >> > >> For the record, I'm ju

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Petr Špaček
On 21. 11. 19 9:49, Wes Hardaker wrote: > Wes Hardaker writes: > >>> I think our simplest and most appealing option would be to treat EDE >>> exactly like any existing EDNS Option (i.e. set the TC bit). >> >> For the record, I'm just fine with this. People that *want* a separate >> signal should

Re: [DNSOP] Draft mentioned in meeting re: fragmentation .

2019-11-21 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 21 November 2019 08:32:38 UTC Warren Kumari wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:54 PM Paul Vixie wrote: > > On Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:54:47 UTC Warren Kumari wrote: > > can someone who knows the rfc editor please tell them that the reference > > in this section is incorrect: >

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
Wes Hardaker writes: > > I think our simplest and most appealing option would be to treat EDE > > exactly like any existing EDNS Option (i.e. set the TC bit). > > For the record, I'm just fine with this. People that *want* a separate > signal should speak up please and voice their reasons why h

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Wes Hardaker
> I think our simplest and most appealing option would be to treat EDE > exactly like any existing EDNS Option (i.e. set the TC bit). For the record, I'm just fine with this. People that *want* a separate signal should speak up please and voice their reasons why having just the TC bit is unaccept

Re: [DNSOP] Draft mentioned in meeting re: fragmentation .

2019-11-21 Thread Warren Kumari
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:54 PM Paul Vixie wrote: > > On Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:54:47 UTC Warren Kumari wrote: > > ... > > > > IP Fragmentation Considered Fragile > >draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile-17 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-intarea-frag-fragile/

Re: [DNSOP] On .ZZ

2019-11-21 Thread Dr Eberhard W Lisse
I agree with Jaap (about the principle). I think it is safe to assume that there will not be a ccTLD corresponding to an alpha-2 code element that does not form part of 3161-1 ie is available as 'User Assigned'. I personally find an alpha-3 code element, ie .ZZZ, less confusing to the casual user

Re: [DNSOP] On .ZZ

2019-11-21 Thread Brian Dickson
On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 3:57 PM Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 11/21/19 8:26 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > for example if ICANN delegates .zzz there will be interesting typo > attacks possible in this weird private space > > In this respect .zz is at least better than .xx which was among the > suggesti

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Nov 21, 2019, at 2:37 AM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > > To be clear, we are talking only about the case where a response "fits" until > the EDE is added, after which it exceeds the limit and is truncated. If > optimizing this situation is important, I would suggest adding a requirement > to th