Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:33, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > On Aug 22, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: >> But I also think that if it is expected that name systems may "go rogue" >> e.g. use a new innovative new string encoding, then the registry might have >> trouble listing/regi

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Vixie
Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 12:17: So maybe Unicode provides sensible guide lines for acceptable strings under .alt _for the registry_? just... no. if somebody wants to put binary gibberish "under" .ALT, in a way that browser plugins never get to see because it's not valid uni

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Timothy Mcsweeney
> On 08/22/2022 3:46 PM EDT Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: > > Martin, > You should talk to Eliot about using the Drop# URI. I think he is getting > ready to push it upstream anyways and you could potentially just add it to > your draft. Then you would have a URI for your GNS that is and is not

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Timothy Mcsweeney
Martin, > On 08/22/2022 3:17 PM EDT Schanzenbach, Martin > wrote: > I mean, https://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-namespaces/urn-namespaces.xhtml > looks ok because "URN Namespace" is well-defined as a readable string with a > specific encoding. You should talk to Eliot about using the Drop#

[DNSOP] dnsop - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 115

2022-08-22 Thread IETF Meeting Session Request Tool
A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Tim Wicinski, a Chair of the dnsop working group. - Working Group Name: Domain Name System Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Tim Wicinski Nu

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:47, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:24: >>> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:15, Paul Vixie >>> wrote: >>> ... >>> noting: by describing this as a reserved name subspace, we implicitly >>> expect that the presentation form of any namespa

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Vixie
Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:24: On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:15, Paul Vixie wrote: ... noting: by describing this as a reserved name subspace, we implicitly expect that the presentation form of any namespace thus enabled will be "compatible enough" with DNS presentation form to

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 22, 2022, at 11:24 AM, Schanzenbach, Martin wrote: > But I also think that if it is expected that name systems may "go rogue" e.g. > use a new innovative new string encoding, then the registry might have > trouble listing/registering the 2LD "byte string" chosen by the name system? This

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 20:15, Paul Vixie > wrote: > > > > Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:02: >> ... >>> On 22. Aug 2022, at 19:07, Ray Bellis wrote: >>> ... >>> On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: ... >> I do not see why names under .alt must be compliant standard DNS

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Vixie
Schanzenbach, Martin wrote on 2022-08-22 11:02: ... On 22. Aug 2022, at 19:07, Ray Bellis wrote: ... On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: ... I do not see why names under .alt must be compliant standard DNS names for any reason. +1. noting: by describing this as a reserved name sub

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Timothy Mcsweeney
> On 08/22/2022 2:01 PM EDT Ray Bellis wrote: > > You can't have a "root" label in the middle of a domain-style name, > because the presence of the length == 0 byte for the root label is what > marks the _end_ of the name parsing sequence. Sorry, I guess I meant authoritative name server for a

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 19:07, Ray Bellis wrote: > > > > On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: > >> I would prefer that they choose whatever is best for their own >> non-DNS user community, which might still be ASCII. > > Since this came up earlier in the thread(s), I would also strongly a

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Ray Bellis
On 22/08/2022 18:42, Timothy Mcsweeney wrote: Why would they do that? And why wouldn't they just serve up their own root from within a subdomain they already have. Maybe everyone should have their own root, I mean isn't that what this .Alt registry is?? You can't have a "root" label in

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Timothy Mcsweeney
Inline > On 08/22/2022 1:07 PM EDT Ray Bellis wrote: > Since this came up earlier in the thread(s), I would also strongly > advise that users of .alt do not stray from the DNS standard Why would they do that? And why wouldn't they just serve up their own root from within a subdomain they alr

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Ray Bellis
On 22/08/2022 15:05, Paul Hoffman wrote: I would prefer that they choose whatever is best for their own non-DNS user community, which might still be ASCII. Since this came up earlier in the thread(s), I would also strongly advise that users of .alt do not stray from the DNS standard of -

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Aug 22, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Andrew McConachie wrote: > The draft doesn’t specify if this registry is restricted to ASCII LDH or not. Correct. Do you feel that it should specify that level of detail? Other registries for domain names do not have this level of detail attached to them, but this o

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Schanzenbach, Martin
> On 22. Aug 2022, at 11:41, Andrew McConachie wrote: > > > > On 20 Aug 2022, at 2:55, Warren Kumari wrote: > >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:46 PM, Stephen Farrell >> wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> On 19/08/2022 20:43, Warren Kumari wrote: >>> >>> So, it is perfectly acceptable (in my view) f

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-16: please review

2022-08-22 Thread Andrew McConachie
On 20 Aug 2022, at 2:55, Warren Kumari wrote: On Fri, Aug 19, 2022 at 5:46 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: Hiya, On 19/08/2022 20:43, Warren Kumari wrote: So, it is perfectly acceptable (in my view) for it to have: Reference Name - a-cool-document foo.alt anot