Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-14 Thread John R Levine
The reasoning as I remember it: If I ask the server for vix.su a question, and it helpfully provides an answer in redbarn.org, ... That's not what Warren's proposing. Did you read the draft? Regards, John Levine, jo...@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Paul Vixie p...@redbarn.org wrote: Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:19 PM ... I'm surprised that no-one has yet commented on the 'Let's just co-opt the Z bit for this' - I'm guessing that folk are not sure if I'm kidding or

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:17 PM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: First, for a same transaction, the cost from using TCP may be more than the gain from the queries you save, which may ultimately let the performance become even worse. Do you have any consideration on this? And also, if

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Vixie
Warren Kumari mailto:war...@kumari.net Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:19 PM ... I'm surprised that no-one has yet commented on the 'Let's just co-opt the Z bit for this' - I'm guessing that folk are not sure if I'm kidding or not, and are scared to ask :-) W i think you're not kidding, but

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Vixie
Warren Kumari mailto:war...@kumari.net Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:22 PM ... I wrote it because it seemed interesting to me. i think you should do a deeper cost:benefit dive before proposing new signalling on-the-wire. i've long believed that just as A and are optional

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:08:00PM -0800, Paul Vixie wrote: you've left the box i thought we were standing in. CNAME chains are already returned by authorities, if in your above example, the alias and the canonical name are served by the same authority server. Didn't we decide a while back

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Guangqing Deng
records thrown away by the recursive servers will be very low, by real data trace or mathematical model. Guangqing Deng CNNIC From: Warren Kumari Date: 2015-01-14 13:22 To: Paul Vixie CC: dnsop; Paul Wouters; John Levine Subject: Re: [DNSOP]答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Vixie
Evan Hunt mailto:e...@isc.org Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:41 PM Didn't we decide a while back that this was a bad idea, that resolvers needed to stop trusting CNAME chains sent by authorities, and that authorities really ought to stop sending them? yes, we did, unless dnssec signatures

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message cakr6gn3ohsbmm9wcize8cg03ze2-nxcbvl4gnvj+k0gmtpl...@mail.gmail.com , George Michaelson writes: Mark.. can you amplify a bit on: FORMERR will just cause the nameserver to think that EDNS is not supported. This is not a issue unless there are signed zones and the resolver is

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Davey Song (宋林健) wrote: As to the draft itself, there are two questions: First, for a same transaction, the cost from using TCP may be more than the gain from the queries you save, which may ultimately let the performance become even worse. Do you have any consideration on

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread Mark Andrews
In message alpine.lfd.2.10.1501130909220.4...@bofh.nohats.ca, Paul Wouters wr ites: On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Davey Song () wrote: As to the draft itself, there are two questions: First, for a same transaction, the cost from using TCP may be more than the gain from the queries you save,

Re: [DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-13 Thread George Michaelson
Mark.. can you amplify a bit on: FORMERR will just cause the nameserver to think that EDNS is not supported. This is not a issue unless there are signed zones and the resolver is validating. Because somewhere north of 10% of the world now validates.. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Mark

[DNSOP] 答复: Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses-00.txt

2015-01-12 Thread 宋林健
Hi Warren It's good idea that the authority DNS be smart enough to predict or configured to package all the information for a URL as a whole object (like a webpage). It will reduce the latency for user. As to the draft itself, there are two questions: First, for a same transaction, the cost