Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-25 Thread Evan Hunt
On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:15:22AM -0400, Shumon Huque wrote: > Can you elaborate on how you plan to do this? > > One of the things that has always annoyed me about RFC7706 (and its > successor I-D) is that it offers no suggestions on how to validate that you > got a correct copy of the entire roo

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-25 Thread Shumon Huque
(I'll ignore the question of the cost/benefits of running a local root copy for now and just focus on the technical topic below). On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:45 AM Evan Hunt wrote: > > Third, and more pertinently, this work may have spin-off benefits. I've > thought for a long time that a mechani

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-25 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 7/25/19 7:44 AM, Evan Hunt wrote: > [... TLD XFR] However, admittedly, one probably > wouldn't want to do it for large zones, and I don't know of any TLD's that > allow transfer in the first place, so for the purposes of the current > discussion, you're right enough. I know about .se (and .nu)

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-24 Thread Paul Vixie
On Thursday, 25 July 2019 05:44:50 UTC Evan Hunt wrote: > ... > > But, it's Mostly Harmless. The implementation cost can be zero if you want > it to be; it's just a server configuration. At worst, it's a waste of the > time that's been spent talking about it (with the zone transfer code that > f

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-24 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:18:20PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > at the one-hour DNSOP meeting in montreal on monday evening, the authors > of RFC 7706 described some of the use case questions they were hoping to > answer in their -bis document, and one of them hit squarely on a topic i > spoke about

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-24 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie wrote: > > first, all complexity comes at a cost. the new code and configuration needed > to support "mirror zones" will be a life long source of bugs and > vulnerabilities, because that's true of every new feature. the desired benefit > should be weighed against this cost. "by running

Re: [DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-23 Thread Brian Dickson
Small couple of comments in a top-reply... I think the concept of having the root zone integrated into the RDNS is something that Paul correctly indicates as something RDNS practices have moved away from. I happen to agree that doing so is a mistake, with particular reasoning: - When integrated in

[DNSOP] some 2015-era thoughts about RFC 7706 -bis

2019-07-23 Thread Paul Vixie
at the one-hour DNSOP meeting in montreal on monday evening, the authors of RFC 7706 described some of the use case questions they were hoping to answer in their -bis document, and one of them hit squarely on a topic i spoke about frequently between 2005 and 2015. i've attached a copy of the 201