Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-18 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/17/2013 5:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: > More words to treasure. (Not that Timo envisions himself any kind of > Fuehrer.) This reaches to a certain deification of certain individuals > and organizations in the community--whether they themselves would be > deified or not; I know examples of bot

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-18 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 18.03.2013 01:02, schrieb Larry Stone: > > On Mar 17, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Robert Schetterer wrote: > >> Am 17.03.2013 21:12, schrieb Larry Stone: >>> Giving complex answers to simple questions creates the impression that the >>> Dovecot is far more complex than it needs to be. >> >> "mail" isn

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 21:30 -0700, David Benfell wrote: > > The standard response is also borne of frustration--a frustration that > seemingly expects people to worship the ground that developers walk on. > One thing that shows a good developer, is one who listens, to the negatives as well as

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/2013 06:08 PM, Professa Dementia wrote: > > If not, you can go back to the original mechanic or maybe a > completely different mechanic. However, if you scream at him, > call him names, tell him the car is total garbage that was never > fix

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Professa Dementia
On 3/17/2013 3:10 PM, David Benfell wrote: I don't know if the "[original poster] is fully familiar with the open source model" or not, but I would save the rest of this response as a gem. The formulaic response, which I have seen again and again in the over ten years I've been working with ope

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Larry Stone
On Mar 17, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Robert Schetterer wrote: > Am 17.03.2013 21:12, schrieb Larry Stone: >> Giving complex answers to simple questions creates the impression that the >> Dovecot is far more complex than it needs to be. > > "mail" isnt simple in general, True. But your needs aren't my

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 09:13 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: > > > We are very sorry you are not satisfied with the software. Please feel > > free to return the software for a full refund of all the money you paid. > > You do not speak on behalf of Do

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 03:25 -0700, Professa Dementia wrote: > > And just a friendly word of advice: change your attitude or you will > find your cries fall on deaf ears. > > Dem > and that shit is helpful how? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Noel Butler
On Sun, 2013-03-17 at 10:20 +, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: > I really find the lack of error logging, and the virtual lack of > documentation for Dovecot very disturbing. I am so close to dropping this > side project of being able to support multiple domains on a mail server. I know I came in l

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.03.2013 00:27, schrieb Daniel Reinhardt: > First thank you for taking the time to reply to this, but I tried using > various LDA Command line suggestions from various places on the net, and > Postfix is not even seeing that dovecot is listed in the master.cf file as > a unix socket. > > I h

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
Timo, First thank you for taking the time to reply to this, but I tried using various LDA Command line suggestions from various places on the net, and Postfix is not even seeing that dovecot is listed in the master.cf file as a unix socket. I have tried using LMTP and again it is not seeing that

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 21:50:34 +0100 Timo Sirainen articulated: > It's the best I can do myself. I have no idea how they could be > improved in any major way. They say that the software developer > himself is the worst possible person to write its documentation, > because he can't understand what ot

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/17/2013 07:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: > >> We are very sorry you are not satisfied with the software. Please >> feel free to return the software for a full refund of all the >> money you paid. T

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 17.03.2013 21:12, schrieb Larry Stone: > Giving complex answers to simple questions creates the impression that the > Dovecot is far more complex than it needs to be. "mail" isnt simple in general, if you wanna help getting better or more easy documentation at whatever feel free to write it, y

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Timo Sirainen
On 17.3.2013, at 18.11, Daniel wrote: > First of all the wiki articles on dovecots site are poorly written compared > to apache and postfix. It's the best I can do myself. I have no idea how they could be improved in any major way. They say that the software developer himself is the worst poss

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Larry Stone
All of this said (and much of it not worth repeating), one problem that seems to affect all software as it grows is that as documentation is "patched" to describe new features, it becomes too complex for the new user who just wants to do something simple to figure how to do that simple stuff. Fo

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/17/2013 11:39 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 2013-03-17 10:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: >>> And just a friendly word of advice: change your attitude or you will >>> find your cries fall on deaf ears. > > Back at ya Stan. Normally you are pret

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 17:11:18 + Daniel articulated: > First of all the wiki articles on dovecots site are poorly written > compared to apache and postfix. That is what I mean by lack luster > the error logging is lack luster as it doesn't specify the file or > the line error is on like many ver

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Daniel
First of all the wiki articles on dovecots site are poorly written compared to apache and postfix. That is what I mean by lack luster the error logging is lack luster as it doesn't specify the file or the line error is on like many very well supported applications like apache and postfix and tha

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Brian Hayden
Seriously. Stop it. Carry on your personal vendettas with Stan and others in private, please. - bdh On Mar 17, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Charles Marcus wrote: > On 2013-03-17 10:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: >> >>> We are very sorry you are not satis

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-03-17 10:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: We are very sorry you are not satisfied with the software. Please feel free to return the software for a full refund of all the money you paid. You do not speak on behalf of Dovecot, Timo, this list,

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 3/17/2013 5:25 AM, Professa Dementia wrote: > We are very sorry you are not satisfied with the software. Please feel > free to return the software for a full refund of all the money you paid. You do not speak on behalf of Dovecot, Timo, this list, and certainly not for me. Do not use "we" in

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Professa Dementia
On 3/17/2013 3:20 AM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: I really find the lack of error logging, and the virtual lack of documentation for Dovecot very disturbing. I am so close to dropping this side project of being able to support multiple domains on a mail server. It is in my utmost respectful opinio

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-17 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
I really find the lack of error logging, and the virtual lack of documentation for Dovecot very disturbing. I am so close to dropping this side project of being able to support multiple domains on a mail server. It is in my utmost respectful opinion to have multiple files to edit just to get this

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 15:33 +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote: > destination_recipient_limit Not sure what happened there but evolution did not like all the chars in your post when invoking reply... probably time to update this darn thing, its the last ubuntu POS that hasn't been updated to opensu

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-16 Thread mourik jan heupink
That's the old method, if my hazy memory is serving me half right tonight, that will not permit recipient delimiter processing To accommodate that suggest using - -f ${sender} -d ${user}@${nexthop} Ah interesting..! Is that perhaps why dovecot_destination_recipient_limit=1 was needed, here..?

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Sat, 2013-03-16 at 00:47 +, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: > I got the permission issues fixed, so now I am unable to retrieve email via > imap or pop3 with either thunderbird, iphone, or webmail application. Is > there something I am not doing that is preventing this from working? > > POP3 and

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 13:15 +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote: > > dovecot unix - n n - - pipe > >flags=DROhu user=postfix:postfix argv=/usr/libexec/dovecot/dovecot-lda > >-f ${sender} -a ${recipient} -d ${user}@${nexthop} > > And for what it's worth... here

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-16 Thread Noel Butler
On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 07:26 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote: > > Fyi, dovecot list does not do reply-to-munging - meaning, if you only > click the 'Reply' button in your email program, it will only reply to > the original sender. > That's almost, but not entirely true. If you log in to mailman

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
I got the permission issues fixed, so now I am unable to retrieve email via imap or pop3 with either thunderbird, iphone, or webmail application. Is there something I am not doing that is preventing this from working? POP3 and IMAP logins work just fine. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Steffe

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Steffen Kaiser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 15 Mar 2013, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2013-03-15 7:11 AM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: Here are the non-verbose mode of the logs exhibiting the problem: /// Mar 15 06:56:37 andromeda dovecot: lda(cryptodan): Fatal: setgid(8(mail) from mail_gid

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread mourik jan heupink
dovecot unix -n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail:mail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-lda -d $(recipient) I don't totally understand this stuff, but mine is different, and contains: dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DROhu use

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread mourik jan heupink
Just a guess: Is your dovecot-lda running as root? Because: Operation not permitted (This binary should probably be called with process group set to 8(mail) instead of 1000(cryptodan)) this could mean it tries to become 8(mail) to be able to deliver, and it's not allowed to? MJ

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-03-15 7:11 AM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: Here are the non-verbose mode of the logs exhibiting the problem: /// Mar 15 06:56:37 andromeda dovecot: lda(cryptodan): Fatal: setgid(8(mail) from mail_gid setting) failed with euid=1000(cryptodan), gid=1000(cryptodan), egid=1000(cryptodan): Opera

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-03-14 6:41 PM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: Here is the virtual_transport set in master.cf to dovecot: dovecot unix -n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail:mail argv=/usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-lda -d $(recipient) I don't totally understand this stuff, but mine

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
Here are the non-verbose mode of the logs exhibiting the problem: /// Mar 15 06:56:37 andromeda dovecot: lda(cryptodan): Fatal: setgid(8(mail) from mail_gid setting) failed with euid=1000(cryptodan), gid=1000(cryptodan), egid=1000(cryptodan): Operation not permitted (This binary should probably be

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-15 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-03-14 6:41 PM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: Here is the output of the postconf -n. I aplogize for the postconf -d, as I was not aware of the difference. No problem... but you forgot the other most important thing... NON-VERBOSE postfix logs exhibiting the problem... -- Best regards, Ch

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
Thank you for point that out, so I went ahead and removed postfix, mysql, and dovecot in hopes to start fresh and follow the guide I used previously. Yet Postfix still isnt sending mail to the virtual mailbox setting defined in my dovecot config: Here is the output of the postconf -n. I aplogize

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2013-03-14 7:11 AM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: I looked at my config in main.cf and I do not see it. Can you point it out? First, virtual_transport = virtual is the default setting. Since you posted -d output, that is what was shown. With postfix (and I believe dovecot), the last config en

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread Charles Marcus
Where to begin... 1. Daniel, when Mourik told you to reply back to the list, they meant that if they send a reply to the list, then you reply to that, send that reply to the list, not to the person who replied. Meaning, all replies should go to the list (unless they are merely personal comme

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
I looked at my config in main.cf and I do not see it. Can you point it out? On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:02 AM, mourik jan c heupink < heup...@merit.unu.edu> wrote: > Looking at your config, I notice > virtual_transport = virtual > > However according to > http://wiki2.dovecot.org/LDA/**Postfix<

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread mourik jan c heupink
Looking at your config, I notice virtual_transport = virtual However according to http://wiki2.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix: main.cf: dovecot_destination_recipient_limit = 1 virtual_mailbox_domains = your.domain.here virtual_transport = dovecot master.cf: dovecot unix - n n -

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread Daniel Reinhardt
Replying back to the list. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:51 AM, mourik jan c heupink < heup...@merit.unu.edu> wrote: > please reply to the list > > > On 3/14/2013 11:38 AM, Daniel Reinhardt wrote: > >> Yes I have read everything on that, and yet postfix does not even see >> the dovecot virtual trans

Re: [Dovecot] Question regarding Postfix and Dovecot

2013-03-14 Thread mourik jan c heupink
Hi Daniel, I'm new to dovecot myself, but did you read this: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/LDA/Postfix I'm guessing that perhaps you need to configure your virtual transport? So, in master.cf, include a line like: dovecot unix - n n - - pipe flags=DRhu user=vmail