RE: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-21 Thread Gareth Hughes
Frank C. Earl wrote: > > On Monday 21 January 2002 09:21 am, Mike Westall wrote: > > Conversely, if "MS considers OpenGL to be dead and buried, > > period", it seems that Bill would be "bit silly" to want to > > spend $62.5 to become the owner of said dead + buried > > technology!! > > OpenGL i

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents

2002-01-21 Thread Allen Akin
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 04:09:29PM +, Josef Karthauser wrote: | You reckon? I was told by a group of games writing guys (currently | working on Xbox) that Direct3D is getting closer and closer to OpenGL in | functionality. | | Which opinion is correct? D3D has been absorbing OpenGL technolo

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-21 Thread Allen Akin
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:21:54AM -0500, Mike Westall wrote: | Conversely, if "MS considers OpenGL to be dead and buried, | period", it seems that Bill would be "bit silly" to want to | spend $62.5 to become the owner of said dead + buried | technology!! I doubt that most of SGI's patents ar

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents

2002-01-21 Thread Josef Karthauser
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 04:00:55PM +, Keith Whitwell wrote: > Carl Busjahn wrote: > > > > I think the question is not wether they want to kill openGL or not. > > Microsoft doesn't have anything to replace openGL therefore they are > > not capable of killing it even if they wanted to. I wish

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents

2002-01-21 Thread Keith Whitwell
Carl Busjahn wrote: > > I think the question is not wether they want to kill openGL or not. > Microsoft doesn't have anything to replace openGL therefore they are > not capable of killing it even if they wanted to. I wish people > wouldn't get excited about this, because SGI wouldn't be stupid

[Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents

2002-01-21 Thread Carl Busjahn
I think the question is not wether they want to kill openGL or not. Microsoft doesn't have anything to replace openGL therefore they are not capable of killing it even if they wanted to. I wish people wouldn't get excited about this, because SGI wouldn't be stupid enough to let Microsoft hav

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-21 Thread Frank C . Earl
On Monday 21 January 2002 09:21 am, Mike Westall wrote: > Conversely, if "MS considers OpenGL to be dead and buried, > period", it seems that Bill would be "bit silly" to want to > spend $62.5 to become the owner of said dead + buried > technology!! OpenGL is not really technology- it's an API t

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-21 Thread Mike Westall
Conversely, if "MS considers OpenGL to be dead and buried, period", it seems that Bill would be "bit silly" to want to spend $62.5 to become the owner of said dead + buried technology!! Mike Gareth Hughes wrote: > > Philip Brown wrote: > > > > but I would say that microsoft DOES want to kil

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-20 Thread José Fonseca
On 2002.01.21 00:41 Philip Brown wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:17:40AM -0800, Gareth Hughes wrote: > > Philip Brown wrote: > > > > > > but I would say that microsoft DOES want to kill OpenGL, > >... > > Allen's original statement made the point that MS considers OpenGL > > to be dead and bur

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-20 Thread Philip Brown
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 07:17:40AM -0800, Gareth Hughes wrote: > Philip Brown wrote: > > > > but I would say that microsoft DOES want to kill OpenGL, >... > Allen's original statement made the point that MS considers OpenGL > to be dead and buried, period. They've fought that battle, and in > t

RE: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-20 Thread Gareth Hughes
Philip Brown wrote: > > but I would say that microsoft DOES want to kill OpenGL, > since then they > would control the only useful 3D API. > It's all about creating monopolies. (so he can build hotels?) Allen's original statement made the point that MS considers OpenGL to be dead and buried, pe

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-20 Thread Philip Brown
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 04:11:39PM -0800, Gareth Hughes wrote: > ... > The DRI is encompassed by OpenGL (as a whole), and if Microsoft > isn't interested in killing OpenGL because they don't consider > it a threat (*), one would reach the conclusion they don't care > about the DRI either. > >

RE: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-18 Thread Gareth Hughes
> I think microsoft is trying to kill DRI. It is a big threat > to all their products. If the open source community can offer > good 3d graphics at low cost then their system will suffer a > good loss in market share. Ummm, somehow I don't think so... The DRI is encompassed by OpenGL (as a wh

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread rogelio
I think microsoft is trying to kill DRI. It is a big threat to all their products. If the open source community can offer good 3d graphics at low cost then their system will suffer a good loss in market share. On Friday, January 18, 2002 at 01:06:05 AM, David Johnson wrote: > >Of course we don

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread Allen Akin
On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 01:06:05AM +, David Johnson wrote: | I actually disagree. I suspect they are more likely to be software patents. | I don't think Microsoft has any intentions on becoming a chip | designer/manufacturer or even a hardware manufacturer. I don't know whether MS wants

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread David Johnson
>Of course we don't know exactly which patents are involved, or what the >terms of the transfer were. But my guess would be that the patents >primarily involve hardware, and Microsoft is interested in covering its >potential liabilities as it moves into the hardware market (though XBox, >Homestat

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread Allen Akin
On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 10:08:54PM +1100, Dan wrote: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/23708.html Of course we don't know exactly which patents are involved, or what the terms of the transfer were. But my guess would be that the patents primarily involve hardware, and Microsoft is intere

Re: [Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread Brian Paul
Dan wrote: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/23708.html > This does not look good for OpenGL / DRI. > The article is not very specific though. > I assume that xfree86 doesn't use anything affected by these patents, > otherwise it wouldn't be able to carry it's current license. Is this >

[Dri-devel] SGI transfers 3D graphics patents to MS

2002-01-17 Thread Dan
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/23708.html This does not look good for OpenGL / DRI. The article is not very specific though. I assume that xfree86 doesn't use anything affected by these patents, otherwise it wouldn't be able to carry it's current license. Is this correct? However The Re