RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On Fri, 15 May 2009 23:28:54 -0400, Woodrick, Ed ewoodr...@ed-com.com said: Easy solution, stop callsign routing. Use repeater linking instead. Problem solved. Ed WA4YIH That'd be silly. If I want to KNOW for sure the call made it to the other side, and get a RESPONSE from the network

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
On Sun, 17 May 2009 09:33:33 +1000, Tony Langdon vk3...@gmail.com said: At 01:16 AM 5/17/2009, you wrote: John is right on the money here. - Tactical Call Sign SOP: A tactical call sign is entered in the 4 digit comment field after a station's legal call sign: This would seem

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:22 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: That'd be silly. If I want to KNOW for sure the call made it to the other side, and get a RESPONSE from the network that says so, the ONLY option for that is callsign routing. This is true, DPlus does not give any concrete indications that you're getting

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:31 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: And how does that work when attempting to use callsign squelch? Hmm, I'd have thought that callsign squelch would be generally an impediment to emergency operations. I know that if I was an operator on duty, I'd much rather an open channel, so I could be

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID800H Software Download

2009-05-17 Thread John
I have a icom ID-800H and the programming software. Is there anyone who might know the appropriate sequence to download data? It seems the data downloads ok but then after turning the radio back on the memory channel number and the letter M blink alternately. Is there a process I need to

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
We've had the discussion many times before. Last year at Dayton, everyone was having to source route to the local repeater to talk. No one was able to have a conversation because people kept barging in because they could not hear the activity on the local repeater. This year there were a

Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread john_ke5c
Source routing to an individual callsign (native D-STAR) has its purpose as well. If the station (callsign) that I want to talk to is attached to a traveler, say a long haul truck driver or a road warrior, then simply calling the station using callsign routing makes more sense. Callsign

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking

2009-05-17 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
There is no question Dplus makes contacts possible for more people, in large due to the obtuse nature of setting up radios that you likened to MSDOS vs Windows as a user interface in an earlier post. Many average hams find setting up a radio and using the features of say, and IC91, far too

Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread k7ve
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, john_ke5c k...@... wrote: Callsign routing to a long haul truck driver who is in range of a DStar repeater say 5% of the time, and whose whereabouts even then would be known only if he remembered to key up? Well, that is like making the argument that

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking

2009-05-17 Thread John D. Hays
Steve is correct. It has more to do with the user interface than with the protocol(s) involved. One of the problems with D-STAR (and amateur radio design in general) is that radios are designed by engineers, usually without any benefit of a user interaction designer. The popularity of the

RES: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking

2009-05-17 Thread Joao Roberto S. G. Ferreira
John, What a coincidence! I talked exactly about this subject with Ray Novak from Icom in 2006 here in Brazil. The radio amateur should have access to an open language to deal with the radio interface and the radios will never more be like this. 73's PY2JF De:

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 09:33 PM 5/17/2009, you wrote: We've had the discussion many times before. Last year at Dayton, everyone was having to source route to the local repeater to talk. No one was able to have a conversation because people kept barging in because they could not hear the activity on the local

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Native D-STAR vs. DPLUS linking

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 05:43 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote: DSTAR continues to emerge. That said, I believe the long range solution to more fully utilize DSTAR lies in a sensible user interface that integrates all of the features of DSTAR (G2 and Dplus) in a user friendly format. Also making system statue available on

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Tony Langdon
At 09:23 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote: You said multiple country/repeater conversations aren't possible with callsign routing -- False. OK, that's one trick I would like to know, and without using multicast - because of the administrator intervention required, I consider this feature to have

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread justin Mann
Your argument about having to program your radio driving 70mph down the road sure bolsters my case that icom oughtta be putting a voice module in both their hts, and mobile rigs. _ From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Langdon

RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
I absolutely stand by my statements. Embedded... From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:23 PM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance) Ed,

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Tactical Call indication

2009-05-17 Thread Woodrick, Ed
There's a little bit of reality that's being left out of this discussion that definitely needs to be interjected. When the conversation is using voice, there is absolutely no issues with the tactical callsigns being used on voice. Actually D-STAR makes it much more effective as you don't have

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Nate Duehr
Tony Langdon wrote: At 09:23 AM 5/18/2009, you wrote: You said multiple country/repeater conversations aren't possible with callsign routing -- False. OK, that's one trick I would like to know, and without using multicast - because of the administrator intervention required, I

Re: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal Distance)

2009-05-17 Thread Ray T. Mahorney
your comment suggests that yet again Icomm missed the boat as far as accessibility of the new radios. - Original Message - From: justin Mann w9...@cox.net To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 00:13 Subject: RE: 880 vs 800 (was: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Signal

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Tactical Call indication

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Azlin, N4ZPT
Why not simply put the tactical call in the short message. Then it will scroll by every time you transmit. 73, Tom n4zpt Dennis Griffin wrote: I have worked many public service events disaster preparedness exercises. One would have to be very creative to get meaningful tactical calls

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID880 How to get the GPS ICON to appear

2009-05-17 Thread Kent Hufford
I bought an ICOM 880 at Dayton, with Ed, and others help I put the right parameters in the first time and got on the air with the Dayton DSTAR repeater. This is a whole new world to learn. Downloaded the ICOM free software and was able to load all the settings from the radio, make some changes