[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Philip Lord
Personally I don't think we should include the 12 Powerbook in this list. What makes this list special is the fact that it's only for duo and 2400 owners and lovers. The 12 Powerbook basically isn't that different from the 17 (a little, but not much), and if we include it, we may as well

[Duo2400] Re: Anyone want to swap...

2003-01-14 Thread Philip Lord
It's gone already. Phil On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 04:11 PM, Philip Lord wrote: I have a Yu-plan 2400 (english) keyboard that I would like to swap for a standard english (apple) keyboard in good condition. I know some people like these keyboards a lot but I'm a purist and would prefer

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Marcelus G. Zalotti
on 1/14/03 04:25, Dan K at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan K J(lusting for . . . well, actually not lusting for anything on-topic (is Ashley Judd on-topic?)) /J Oh, man, Ashley is a sooo beautiful off-topic...;-) -- Marcelus. site http://magiozal.blogspot.com/ -- Duo/2400 List, The

[Duo2400] Re: 2400 to Al/PB-12 Conversion Costs

2003-01-14 Thread Glenn R. Fong
From: Ralph Mawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 I've almost talked myself into waiting, once again, for Rev 2... Al/PB-12 - $1800 Applecare - $349 (This hurts, I just bought a new ThinkPad and +2 Yrs was $132) 512MB Memory - $100 Airport Card - $100 MS Office - $200

[Duo2400] Apple's responsibility to 2400's?

2003-01-14 Thread rminton
Just curious, in view of all the problems that 5300's had and the repair/trade -in programs offered as a result why hasn't Apple taken a similar approach to 2400's? The GLOD symptom definitely is a very inherent design defect and is as bad or worse than anything (other than flaming batteries)

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the List

2003-01-14 Thread Donald McCaig
Dear Gurus, The List Mom wrote: I'm considering transitioning the list into a more general Mac Sub-compacts list. I'm thinking that this will give us a concise focus while still allowing us to talk about the new machines. I hope you do. My next new machine will be one of the 320's

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Eric L. Strobel
To those worried about the dichotomy between newer and older subcompacts... We *already* have a dichotomy! To those of us with only 2x0 Duos, a lot of the discussion on this list is of little more than academic interest. But yet I still read some of it because there's occasionally useful

[Duo2400] Re: PCMICA with the New Little G4 PowerBook

2003-01-14 Thread Eric L. Strobel
on 1/13/03 10:21 PM, Chris Thornburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7. Road Rocket card with one of the latest list discussions which discusses using a patch to use dual monitors. Hopefully this can be used with 12 G4 No patch needed for the 12 AlBook, as it already supports dual monitors. -

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Marc
Hi, ListMom here. ...trying to decide where we take the list. Thoughts? Eric Prentice ListMom Eric, I can see no harm in trying this. Seems to me we can always ask you kindly to consider separating the older machine topic off again if the new list becomes unusable for those users. Possibly

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the List

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
Buy one of the external batteries from ProVantage and you can then run your 2400 for the better part of a day. ~ Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Donald McCaig wrote: Dear Gurus, The List Mom wrote: I'm considering transitioning the list into a more general Mac Sub-compacts

[Duo2400] Re: Hacks and success on this list

2003-01-14 Thread Mark A. Kippert
Larry Friedman on 1/14/03 2:42 AM wrote: I wasn't able to get that to work when I was having trouble with a System 7.6 partition on the 2400. I thought that was only to start from an external drive. ~ Larry Does this mean that restarting and then holding down Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list

2003-01-14 Thread Big Bird
On 1/13/03 Eric Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to decide where we take the list. With the new machines this list will be less essential for many of us who are upgrading and will eventually go the way of other great Mac lists. I'm considering transitioning the list into a more

[Duo2400] Re: Hacks and success on this list

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
Will it work on regular HFS volumes or only on HFS+ ? (That's what I love about this list, all this obsolete troubleshooting info that I've forgotton over the course of time and upgrades) ~ Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 10:04 AM, Mark A. Kippert wrote: Larry Friedman on 1/14/03

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list

2003-01-14 Thread Eric L. Strobel
on 1/14/03 10:17 AM, Big Bird at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it is intended to be a social discussion list, then it makes a lot of sense to expand it to whatever computers the current members own. If the list is intend to be for problem solving and technical advice, then it seems to me that

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
I'm relatively new to this list so you're more than welcome to take a who do you think you are stance ;-). What happens when someone say can't we include the 15 and 17 Powerbooks because they are so similar to the 12. Its a tough line to cross, or we can just say that the machine has to be

[Duo2400] Re: Hacks and success on this list

2003-01-14 Thread Mark A. Kippert
Larry Friedman on 1/14/03 10:19 AM wrote: Will it work on regular HFS volumes or only on HFS+ ? (That's what I love about this list, all this obsolete troubleshooting info that I've forgotton over the course of time and upgrades) ~ Larry Command;Shift;Option;Delete should work with either

[Duo2400] Re: Hacks and success on this list

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
So far I got bup-kiss, it just sat there with the ? floppy icon. Perhaps it doesn't work on multiple partitions. ~ Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 11:00 AM, Mark A. Kippert wrote: Larry Friedman on 1/14/03 10:19 AM wrote: Will it work on regular HFS volumes or only on HFS+ ? (That's

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list

2003-01-14 Thread Eric L. Strobel
on 1/14/03 10:59 AM, Larry Friedman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm relatively new to this list so you're more than welcome to take a who do you think you are stance ;-). What happens when someone say can't we include the 15 and 17 Powerbooks because they are so similar to the 12. Its a tough

[Duo2400] Re: PCMICA with the New Little G4 PowerBook

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
5. PCMCIA HD card 89MB and a 174MB card which I use as emergency drive 6. IBM Travelstar 8E replaced with 20GB HD both of these now can be replace with Firewire external if I wanted As far as emergency drive goes, let's not forget that these new machines have an optical

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
Hi, ListMom here. ...trying to decide where we take the list. Thoughts? Eric Prentice ListMom I am sympathetic to expanding the list, because it is a small club that will only dwindle in size. I initially thought it would make sense, when you suggested it, to include the new 12, especially

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Marc
Hi, ListMom here. ...trying to decide where we take the list. Thoughts? Eric Prentice ListMom Eric, I'm changing my mind... After reading the recent posts, and considering the following, my vote goes to keeping the lists separate. In short? It would be far easier for interested parties to

[Duo2400] Duo/2400 List - where we all 'were'

2003-01-14 Thread Marc
WHERE WE ALL 'WERE' Last posting of this, I promise. Thought I'd get this out before a number amongst us jump off to new toys. Thanks for participating. 1 1%Australia 3 4%Belgium 1 1%Brandy 2 3%Brazil 1013%Canada 1 1%Finland 1 1%

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
Excellent suggestion, with the disclaimer of those who have upgraded their pre-G3s to G3 (especially with the 1400 upgrade that's now available). ~ Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Ivan Drucker wrote: Hi, ListMom here. ...trying to decide where we take the list. Thoughts?

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Carlson
If the need was there, maybe. This list developed out of a need for a support community. Anyone got a new 12 pb they need support with yet? Andy Hi, ListMom here. ...trying to decide where we take the list. Thoughts? Eric Prentice ListMom -- Duo/2400 List, The friendliest place

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the List

2003-01-14 Thread Carlos Pinto
Hello Everyone, I don't understand why we all want to expand the list. If we are going to take a stance that the 12 PB is a sub notebook, then why didn't we do this when the iBook came out. It at least could share issues with upgraded 2400s that have G3 processors. Just because a G4 processor

[Duo2400] Dead 2400 batteries for rebuilding

2003-01-14 Thread Paul Nelson
Hi, I have asked before about the rebuilding of 2400 batteries, with ABSOLUTELY no response! I guess I'll have to investigate it myself, but I only have working batteries. Does anyone have an absolutely DEAD 2400 battery they'd part with for me to experiment on? Is there any good

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the List

2003-01-14 Thread Jake Luck
Buy one of the external batteries from ProVantage and you can then run your 2400 for the better part of a day. ~ Larry Has anyone bought and used one of those on the 2400c? jake -- Duo/2400 List, The friendliest place on the Net! A listserv for users and fans of Mac subportables.

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Paul Nelson
At 11:48 AM -0500 1/14/03, Ivan Drucker wrote: Therefore, I would propose expanding it -- but rather than to include the new compact portable, perhaps it should include other older PowerBooks. I am not sure where the cutoff should be -- pre-Titanium/iBook? Pre-G3? Old World? And I would say

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Azamat G. Farrakhov
-- [ From: Azamat G. Farrakhov * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Why to discuss so much? Is this a problem to open new list expressly for PB G4 Al/12 or subscribe if exist? Possibly sorry for English, Azamat -- Duo/2400 List, The friendliest place on the Net! A listserv for users and fans of Mac

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
And I would say ABSOLUTELY NOT! There is ALREADY a Powerbook list at lowendmac, and Eric's lists should be planned in conjunction with Dan Knight's lists, as they have been up to now. Paul Relax, I'd agree. I wasn't proposing any unilateral action at the expense of other lists run by Eric or

[Duo2400] Re: Apple's responsibility to 2400's?

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
Just curious, in view of all the problems that 5300's had and the repair/trade -in programs offered as a result why hasn't Apple taken a similar approach to 2400's? The GLOD symptom definitely is a very inherent design defect and is as bad or worse than anything (other than flaming batteries)

[Duo2400] Re: command-option-shift-delete

2003-01-14 Thread Marc Sira
Does this mean that restarting and then holding down Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete will not result in starting from one of the HFS+ partitions? Yes, that's exactly what that key combination does, forces a Mac to look for a volume other than the internal boot drive to start up from. This has even

[Duo2400] Re: Safari

2003-01-14 Thread Mark A. Kippert
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1/10/03 12:03 PM wrote: Apple announce a new browser for Macs (OS X only I think). The new brower is called Safari. Faster launch and loading of pages. Auto pop-up blocking. Etc. You can download a public beta from Apple. Apple has quietly posted an upgrade.

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread David Cucuzza
I've got to agree- if the iBook didn't make it on this list, then the new ones shouldn't either. This can be a Neanderthal throwback support list, as far as I'm concerned. But I'm an irrational collector of old Duos, so perhaps i just need medication. ;- David Cucuzza Paul sez: And I would

[Duo2400] Re: Dead 2400 batteries for rebuilding

2003-01-14 Thread Sergio Tani
I've never found for sale the single Li-Ion cells for replacing those in 2400's This kind of battery is present in Pismo or Lombard too, I took apart an used Lombard battery and successfully replaced those in my 2400 batt. pack Sergio --- On Martedì, 14 gennaio 2003 19:15, Paul Nelson [EMAIL

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
I'll grow up when they pry Aaron Lite out of my cold dead interface. ~ Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 05:53 PM, David Cucuzza wrote: I've got to agree- if the iBook didn't make it on this list, then the new ones shouldn't either. This can be a Neanderthal throwback support list, as

[Duo2400] Re: command-option-shift-delete

2003-01-14 Thread Impmon
As for boot order, I *think* it's in ascending SCSI ID order (but it might be descending, there's a lot of SCSI controller trivia mixed up in my head from the past twenty years ;). Originally the internal drive to skip meant SCSI device 0 - now it probably means the primary ATA controller. I

[Duo2400] more removable storage

2003-01-14 Thread Drew Johnson
Anyone looking for a little more storage on your PowerBook might check this PCMCIA 107 MB out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=4606item=2300708405 -- Duo/2400 List, The friendliest place on the Net! A listserv for users and fans of Mac subportables. FAQ at

[Duo2400] Re: more removable storage

2003-01-14 Thread Larry Friedman
Anyone know if this would require the Cardbus upgrade? - Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:17 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: Anyone looking for a little more storage on your PowerBook might check this PCMCIA 107 MB out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/

[Duo2400] Re: command-option-shift-delete

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
I still haven't actually toyed with any IDE based Macs as my newest Mac is a monster sized 9600 and I won't replace that unless Apple offersd a newer 6 PCI slot based Mac! :( (I'm pretty sure 9500/9600 is the last 6 slot Mac) It is, though the current Power Macs (since 1/01) have only one less

[Duo2400] Re: more removable storage

2003-01-14 Thread Ivan Drucker
Would not, it's standard PCMCIA ATA I am sure. Anyone know if this would require the Cardbus upgrade? - Larry On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:17 PM, Drew Johnson wrote: Anyone looking for a little more storage on your PowerBook might check this PCMCIA 107 MB out:

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Lilmartha2
I've been lurking for a year, since I acquired a Duo 2300. I'm afraid that if the list expanded there would be a lot less of interest to me. Let's stick with the status quo. --Martha Lufkin, who started in '86 with a Plus. -- Duo/2400 List, The friendliest place on the Net! A listserv

[Duo2400] Re: future of the DuoList

2003-01-14 Thread wayne ingalls
ListMom Eric wrote: I'm considering transitioning the list into a more general Mac Sub-compacts list. I spend most of my time lurking, so not sure how much my vote counts. I was a bit more active when I used my Duos a lot, but switched first to a 1400 then to the white iBook because my computing

[Duo2400] Need a 56k/ethernet PCMCIA card

2003-01-14 Thread Jerry Wolford
List members, I should be receiving a 2400c soon. I will need to adorn it's PCMCIA slot with a 56k/ethernet PCMCIA card to facilitate using it. I have an Oronoco Silver (Airport compatiable) card in my Wallstreet and am hoping I can use it too. Questions: What do I need to do to use the airport

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread chuck goolsbee
All that said, if I buy a Al/PB-12, I really would rather come here than anywhere else to acquire the knowledge and wisdom of guys like Sidney Ho, Chuck Goolsbee, snip Ralph, I'm flattered. =) That said though... both Sidney I have been rather absent of late. I can't speak for Sidney, but I

[Duo2400] Re: Expanding the list -- not closing it.

2003-01-14 Thread Ralph Mawyer
All that said, if I buy a Al/PB-12, I really would rather come here than anywhere else to acquire the knowledge and wisdom of guys like Sidney Ho, Chuck Goolsbee, snip Ralph, I'm flattered. =) That said though... both Sidney I have been rather absent of late. I can't speak for Sidney, but I