[DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread John and Mari Minke
All this all-time DXCC listings (deleted and "gone forever") has created much discussion. I made a comment with that honor to senior DXers, but this could apply to all. Many DXers work hard to work a new one. They are not blessed with super stations with super antennas. And, many do not use the ai

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread Steve Lawrence
A current total for everyone one on the DXCC lists has to be known otherwise the asterisk could not be printed. The data is the all there. It's a matter of which way it's cut. One is a deference to longevity (absolute total), the other to competition with recognition of long term accomplishment

[DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread K0LUZ
It appears to be a case of whose ox is being gored. For those of us who have been long time active dxers and want to be recognized for what we have accomplished over the years, the overall total including currently deleted, but not deleted at the time we worked them, is valid. We have looked fo

[DX-CHAT] RE:Deleted vs Expunged

2003-06-17 Thread ka5ejx
I have been away from ham and DX comunity for about a year, looks like I have missed out on a lot of news. What is this business about expunging the DXCC list? Is this now being implemented at ARRL? I hope not, I have worked at it for years as many others have and I would certainly fight a ne

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread Paul Playford
You seem to be inferring that building/obtaining a super station is NOT hard work. I am not 'blessed' with a super station, I obtained it with a lot of hard work. I design and build my own antennas, top loaded ground plane on 160m, 4sqs on 80m & 40m, long boom yagi's on 20, 15 & 10. All built wi

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread Steve Lawrence
Red - Call what you will "stupid" but it's MY opinion just as yours is yours. When I see an unachievable number with an asterisk next to it, I'm not inclined to think of anything much more than "OT." When I see 335 as a "current" number I wonder on what band that op snagged the P5. A listing s

Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged

2003-06-17 Thread N4KG
In a message dated 6/17/03 12:40:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Today we have current totals and all-time totals. Current totals count towards DXCC, Honor Roll and Top of the Honor Roll recognitions. All time totals, including deleted, count for nothing other than b

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread John and Mari Minke
I've been around the block enough to know that owners of some of these super stations don't necessarily put hard work into it. Only hard cash. They hire professionals to design and install their stations and antennas. Now don't jump and down - I did not say owners of all stations. However, there a

Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread Howard Klein
Paul, Beautifully stated. Anyone with a super station will know the amount of effort required. I do not count myself among those but I do know that even a moderately successful station takes a lot of work.This does not even take into account the operator's skill which is another important ingre

RE: [DX-CHAT] DXCC Listings

2003-06-17 Thread Tony Martin
Steve, Red, et al, I've been reading this thread (for the most part) and sometimes when I feel rushed, I've just hit the delete key. For some reason I read these two and wanted to add my 2 cents worth which will become "delete fodder" for many, but others might have a slight interest. I am an OT

Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged

2003-06-17 Thread bruce makas
Hi John, No, you misunderstand what is going to happen . Today we have current totals and all-time totals. Current totals count towards DXCC, Honor Roll and Top of the Honor Roll recognitions. All time totals, including deleted, count for nothing other than bragging rights and a listing once p