RE: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Charles Harpole
The answer to this question is MAKE BETTER DXPEDITION OPERATORS. The main reason ordinarily placid people become "caller mad men" is simple FRUSTRATION ! How to reduce frustration? 1. The DX op must be a general, establish a calling pattern and never never vary. 2. The DX op shou

RE: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Ragnar Otterstad
You forgot to mention that the DX shoudl ID frequently so there is never any doubt who he is !! I am not so sure about the " numbers". Area can be more effective. F ex we high up in the North always are at a handicap and may have considerable shorter openings than down in Central and Southern Eur

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread lmecseri -KE1F
Charlie, Good work. Going by the numbers (1-0) don't take into consideration propagation. Numbers are no longer connected to geographical location. You know W1,2 and 3 have different propagations as W4s. Where do I belong? My call is W1 but located in W4 land. Yes I can try KE1F/4 when 4s a

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
The US call districts are still mostly populated by the right numbers, though this is a good point, especially when taken worldwide. Calling one 1 and then one 2 and one 3 and so forth has the advantage of NOT taking into account propagation (you're not trying to get only 1's, 2's, 3's before the

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
--- Dan Zimmerman N3OX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Calling one 1 and then one 2 and one 3 and so forth has the advantage > of NOT taking into account propagation (you're not trying to get only > 1's, 2's, 3's before the band closes) > > What it does do if done correctly is slashes the pileup siz

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
Peter, I'm never more frustrated than when I'm losing propagation and the DX takes 15 4's then 15 5's then 15 6's then 15 7's then ***permanent fade*** ... I would have had 4 other shots to work them if they were only taking 1 per district. Guess it's a matter of personal preference. Dan Subscr

[DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Dougherty
At 10:15 AM 08/03/2006, you wrote: The US call districts are still mostly populated by the right numbers, though this is a good point, especially when taken worldwide. Calling one 1 and then one 2 and one 3 and so forth has the advantage of NOT taking into account propagation (you're not trying

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
I think you're right, except that a distinct minority of callers just happen upon the frequency these days. If you're just tuning across the band and find the DX, one of three things come to mind: 1) If you're looking at spots, the DX hasn't been spotted and the pileup will be small 2) If you're

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread af2c
Actually, working by call area is NOT a bad idea. It gives the operator (DX) an opportunity to get a picture of current propagation. Use of propagation programs, and the propagation commands on your cluster are only good for a start, but theory and practice are two different things. 73, Jay/

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
Peter, you make a good point. Regarding 3Y0X, I think it probably goes to show that the raw skill of the operators at pileup handling is much more important than any subtle variations in technique. I certainly had a lot easier time getting through to them (3 bands) than to KH8SI (zero bands). A

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Pete D'Elia
98% of the operators going to rare & semi-rare entities are very good at what they do. 99% of the problems with these operations are caused by us, the callers, by not following DXpedition’s instructions & requests, callers not knowing there own call signs, call area, country or continent, 2

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Jan Erik Holm
This is the best I´ve read so far! So true, so true! Thank´s 73 Jim SM2EKM -- Pete D'Elia wrote: 98% of the operators going to rare & semi-rare entities are very good at what they do. 99% of the problems with these operations are caused by us, the callers, by not following DXpedition

[DX-CHAT] SM5DQC all alone at Top of the Honor Roll

2006-08-03 Thread Barry
Was browsing the DXCC Honor Roll listing today and I see SM5DQC all alone at 336. I guess he cfmd and submitted YU6 already. Wow, that's fast! -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To p

[DX-CHAT] re How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Peter Forbes
A classic example of cultural misunderstanding?   Last Saturday afternoon (local time), KH8SI was coming into Australia S9+20 on 14 mhz SSB.   The American operator was using a combination of number and area by insisting on " east coast 1's, 2's and 3's"   The inexperienced VK operators (of w

Re: [DX-CHAT] re How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Jim Reisert AD1C
--- Peter Forbes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This went on for about 30 minutes, until one of the experienced ZL operators > was able to catch the attention of the KH8 operator and point out that "east > coast 1's 2's and 3's was EXACTLY where VK1, VK2 and VK3 were situated! That's a funny story

Re: [DX-CHAT] re How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Dan Zimmerman N3OX
Only one way around it! One call district for each grid square, worldwide. 73, N34595OX Only 34,592 call districts to go before they get to me. but I've seen operators literally go by prefix (i.e. W1, K1, N1) so I wouldn't know whether to call or not! 73 - Jim AD1C Subscribe/unsubscribe, fe

RE: [DX-CHAT] SM5DQC all alone at Top of the Honor Roll

2006-08-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yeh, It is so nice that his submission (even if was one card) somehow got ahead of many peoples in the process queue. Maybe you can pay extra to get processed more quickly. While I don't have a YU6 or KH8-S card yet (worked them), I do have a submission sent in before any cards could have come o

Re: [DX-CHAT] How do we make better DXers?

2006-08-03 Thread Tim Heger
Great ideas except for number 2. A single, 1, then 2, then 3, etc. would just be more frustrating. If you don't get through on that one call, then you must wait through nine more qso's before calling again. I would prefer to wait for the 3's, then get a number of tries at it. 73, Tim - N3XX

RE: [DX-CHAT] SM5DQC all alone at Top of the Honor Roll

2006-08-03 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
It just might be that the confirmation was via Logbook of the World (I don't know for sure) ... but that would take essentially zero time from QSO through processing. Last I heard, LotW only applications were being processes within a day or two. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -Original

RE: [DX-CHAT] SM5DQC all alone at Top of the Honor Roll

2006-08-03 Thread Ed Cox KE3D
Well I haven't gotten any QSLs from YU6AO or 4O3T via the lotw system. I have several QSOs with each. Regards Ed KE3D At 00:16 04-08-06, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: It just might be that the confirmation was via Logbook of the World (I don't know for sure) ... but that would take essentially ze