> It seems to me to be quite simple in the discreprency. the e-gold trust
> has in fact purchased more gold than they are liable for, to cover all
> liabilities, and to cover future liabilities when the time arises. It's
> much simpler to buy 400oz bars at a time, than it is to divide gold to
> tw
From: "Tristan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It's very simple: the extra gold is owned by the e-gold trust until it is
> needed to cover user account liabilities.
>
>
>
> The e-gold trust owns (assets) 1,952,954.93 grams of gold
> The e-gold trust owes (liabilities) 1,933,833.44 grams of gold
From: "SnowDog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I wouldn't be so sure, Craig. The Examiner page really seems to be
saying
> > this:
> >
> > Assets of E-Gold SP Trust:1,952,954.93
> > Liabilities of E-Gold SP Trust: 1,933,848.72
> >
> > Therefore, any balance sheet that includes these numbers w
Dear e-gold trust feuding list members,
It seems to me to be quite simple in the discreprency. the e-gold trust
has in fact purchased more gold than they are liable for, to cover all
liabilities, and to cover future liabilities when the time arises. It's
much simpler to buy 400oz bars at a time,
(JP: Please at least read the end of this email. In spite of my initial
argument, I believe I concede something that has been a real burr on your
saddle.)
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Title is held by The e-gold Bullion Reserve Special Purpose Trust
> that exists for the *express* purpose of h
> I wouldn't be so sure, Craig. The Examiner page really seems to be saying
> this:
>
> Assets of E-Gold SP Trust:1,952,954.93
> Liabilities of E-Gold SP Trust: 1,933,848.72
>
> Therefore, any balance sheet that includes these numbers would have to be
> the balance sheet of E-Gold SP Tr
Hi
This is the latest scam email that I have received, do not
use any of these url's unless you know what you are doing.
They even tell you that you are going to part with your
e-gold -
"Whether you want to obtain some e-gold or part with some,
we have some links to get you started:
http://**.*
From: "SnowDog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Craig dude - WHAT is it a balance sheet of?
>
> > the e-gold SP Trust? e-gold Ltd? GSR? ominpay?
>
> E-Gold LTD!
I wouldn't be so sure, Craig. The Examiner page really seems to be saying
this:
Assets of E-Gold SP Trust:1,952,954.93
Liabilitie
> It's utterly inconceivable they would take that account "offbooks"
It's NOT off-books. It's an asset! It cannot be listed as a liability of
E-Gold LTD.
Craig
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> Craig dude - WHAT is it a balance sheet of?
> the e-gold SP Trust? e-gold Ltd? GSR? ominpay?
E-Gold LTD!
They Trust just stores the gold. I don't think they have a balance sheet.
E-Gold OWES their customers the gold they have listed as assets. Their
liabilities are less than their assets.
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >One might consider such a practice immoral simply because it
> >introduces the possibility of error and the appearance of impropriety.
>
> PC, the idea that you can slush funds around in non-segregated
> accounts. ... A corporation can't get away with it.
JP:
All
From: "SnowDog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If we were to do it the GoldMoney way, then there would be NO
> liabilities listed for E-Gold LTD, and the balance sheet would be only ONE
> sheet, indicating the total amount of gold in the system. There would be
NO
> liability column.
Interesting that you
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Oh yeah, one more thing. I don't give a rat's ass if there's an "extra"
> >kilo of gold in account 808081. It doesn't hurt my 1mdc account one bit.
> >All you have to do is ACCOUNT FOR IT.
>
>
> Right!
>
> i.e., on the web page somewhere, it would have a five word n
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> NOWHERE ON THAT PAGE does it assert that that table "is a balance sheet"
Technically you're right: a balance sheet is something showing Assets =
Liability + Equity. I have been ASSUMING that they have listed ALL the
liability of the trust, and therefore the differen
I don't know what all the fuss is about!
It seems plain to me that, as has *always* been the case, the gold is
bought in nominal 400 oz bars, and such gold bullion is held in trust to
always be at least equal to the amount of e-gold in accounts. The surplus
is LESS than a nominal 400 oz bar!
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Mother Mary .. think of what you're saying. It would be like if you
> were looking through the 1mdcGrams situation, PC, and you found an
> "extra" kilo of gold in account 808081. And I was like "oh yeah!
> that's mine! it's for this car I'm buying, dude!" :)
Oh yea
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> PC!
>
> You're saying that e-gold Ltd ... would hold one of their assets ...
> IN THE E-GOLD SPECIAL PURPOSE TRUST?!?!?
All I'm asserting with confidence is that SOMEBODY has this balance sheet:
Assets: 1,952,954.93
Liabilities: 1,933,849.01
Equity:
--- Patrick Chkoreff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Whose cellphone took an unplanned, deadly swim on Memorial
> Day.
>
> You took that Corona commercial way too seriously, Jim. :-)
LOL. I think it was a beeper in the commercial. But James is a
t
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> (Just again as an aside, you guys are off on these mind-boggling
> tangents, if I had to GUESS the reason for the discrepancy, a
> spectacularly more normal, easy-going guess, would be something like
> "GSR load up a few extra bars in there to save time." But that is
Jim my friend!
This is utter speculation?
Do You Know why there is a discrepancy between te two figures?
I believe the answer is no ... but clear that up for me!
(Just in an "aside" sense...
>There is one e-gold Bullion Special Purpose Trust. It holds
>a bunch of gold in allocated storage
> Are we violating the Copernican Principle by supposing
> that there are special accounts in the e-gold system which
> have non-liability status? I don't think so. I think it
> is obvious that there have to be accounts which have
> special status: e-gold, Ltd., is not rich, but it does have
> a
Dear Craig (Spencer),
>JP, I think SD's theory amounts to saying that if the e-gold is
>in some special accounts then it doesn't count as "being in
>circulation".
I have a related theory to SnowDog's theory.
There is one e-gold Bullion Special Purpose Trust. It holds
a bunch of gold in allo
> Isn't it trivial for e-gold to go through the audit trail and determine
> what happened to the value? They wouldn't even need a court
> subpoena, since they own all the data. What am I missing here?
You're missing a change to their User Agreement.
However, such triviality would also be quite
From: "James M. Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Whose cellphone took an unplanned, deadly swim on Memorial Day.
You took that Corona commercial way too seriously, Jim. :-)
PC
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G. Adam Stanislav wrote:
...
> I mentioned that if they accepted e-gold, there would be no
> fraud. If anyone wants to pitch in, go to
> http://pub80.ezboard.com/fcafepressstoreownersforumfrm8.showMessage?topicID=
> 448.topic
> and enter your viewpoint. PLEASE!
Thanks, Adam! I've also snailed th
> If anyone has any information that might enable the capture of any deceiver
> who has used fraud or hacking to steal gold...
Um... I'm going to take a huge risk here and show my naivete:
Isn't it trivial for e-gold to go through the audit trail and determine
what happened to the value? They
OK, we tried it once on the CafePress BBS and so far nothing.
But right now a discussion has developed where people are
complaining about an increase in "fraud suspect" purchases.
I mentioned that if they accepted e-gold, there would be no
fraud. If anyone wants to pitch in, go to
http://pub80.e
Yeah, I got one too... I guess I "rate" now. LMAO!
64.177.232.173 has dubious reverse DNS of logo.com - which is a valid
hostname, but not one that resolves to 64.177.232.173
This is the email addy on the cert - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Forget about wasting time trying to track this down. By the time
I need to exchange around 30K USD worth of osgold, either to egold or
international wire
Thank you
marco lavanna
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Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessin
Actually the SSL certificate claims to have been generated by logo.com
for logo.com. Since logo.com isn't a valid CA it doesn't mean anything.
With a little know how you can roll your own SSL certs signed by
yourself. I don't think there's anything that necessarily indicates
that logo.com is in
Yet another scan email attempting to steal people's gold. This just
arrived in my Inbox. I thought it prudent to forward to the list.
Notice that the html looks like you're going to e-gold.com when in
reality you are going to 64.177.232.173 - Alabanza, Inc's IP space.
_John
_ Begi
If only I could earn a gram for every fraud attempt that
crosses my desk.
Don't know who Logotron is, but I suspect that they're legit,
and someone has access to their host's common cgi-bin area.
Sigh.
-- D
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b
I just received this little turdlette in my inbox.
Notice the link does not go to e-gold.
Notice that this moron can't even manage to get his own scammer links right :)
I left this intact so someone may track him down - I do not have the time today
or I would do it myself.
Please - do not actually
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>>OK !!!
>>
>> QUESTION! Do you have any evidence for this - eg Jim or someone
>> hinted to you that you are correct - or is this speculation?
>
>I guess it's pure speculation.
OK
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> OK !!!
>
> QUESTION! Do you have any evidence for this - eg Jim or someone
> hinted to you that you are correct - or is this speculation?
I guess it's pure speculation. It was my first, natural, assumption.
A couple of years ago, before E-Gold LTD was formed, "E-Gold" existed only
a
>> Are you saying that:
>>
>>"in your opinion the discrpeancy is explained in the
>>following way: in the right hand column, e-gold accounts
>>controlled by e-gold Ltd are not added into the total"
>>
>> IS THAT CORRECT?
>
>YES! Halleluiah!
>
OK !!!
QU
> Are you saying that:
>
> "in your opinion the discrpeancy is explained in the
> following way: in the right hand column, e-gold accounts
> controlled by e-gold Ltd are not added into the total"
>
> IS THAT CORRECT?
YES! Halleluiah!
> please, please - please! - exp
> CCS, due to the consciousness-stupefying levels of confusion here,
> the multi-million word asides, etc., I reckon we oughta get it
> "direct from the horse's mouth!"
>
> What the heck is your theory Craig man?!?!?
Somehow I feel like we've really lost the ability to communicate on this
point.
> >Good Point! Point conceded! They should change the wording.
> It seems that you have a theory on why the number 1,952,954.93 is
> different from the number 1,933,849.12
>
> Would you mind telling me, that theory.
JP, I conceded the point the last message!
I never read that balance sheet to i
>> It seems that you have a theory on why the number 1,952,954.93 is
>> different from the number 1,933,849.12
>>
>> Would you mind telling me, that theory.
>
>JP, I think SD's theory amounts to...
CCS, due to the consciousness-stupefying levels of confusion here,
the multi-million word asid
>> I must be from another planet ... ok, so what is it, man!?
>>
>> Please tell me!!
>>
>> Why is there more gold bullion in the e-gold Bullion Reserve Special
>> Purpose Trust than there is e-metal in circulation?
>
>OOHHH! I get it now. I now understand what you're saying. When you
> I must be from another planet ... ok, so what is it, man!?
>
> Please tell me!!
>
> Why is there more gold bullion in the e-gold Bullion Reserve Special
> Purpose Trust than there is e-metal in circulation?
OOHHH! I get it now. I now understand what you're saying. When you read,
"E-Me
>> Craig dude ... Do You Know why there is a discrpeancy between The
>> e-gold Bullion Reserve Special Purpose Trust and the e-metal in
>> Circulation?
>
>JP Dude :)
>
>Yes! Because they're listing Assets and Liabilities.
>
I must be from another planet ... ok, so what is it, man!?
From the perspective of the *big picture*, it would not be helpful (to the
e-gold economy as a whole) for e-gold to grant preferential trading terms
to a market maker *simply because they got hacked*!
Looking at the other side of the (gold) coin, why should a trader have
disadvantageous tradi
www.goldchanger.com now no longer answers my emails.
They currently owe me $597.00 for 3 money orders, the 1st of which was
mailed to them over 25 days ago. The last I heard from them was 8 days
ago by email, saying that they received my funds and will fund my account
"asap".
Their website says
> But, the e-gold that e-gold, Ltd., is paid is not a liability
> to e-gold, Ltd.
Exactly! E-Gold LTD's account cannot be viewed as a liability toward itself.
Assets = Liabilities + Equity: The difference is the Equity.
Craig
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Jim!
Your recent message appears to be all muddled up dude!
Note, the e-gold **TRUST** ... The e-gold Bullion Reserve Special
Purpose Trust has 62,788.96 ounces of gold.
(In your email you make references to e-gold Ltd. doing this that and
the other thing.)
Let me be more accurate ...
Dear JP,
If e-gold is paid in e-gold, then e-gold believes in e-gold.
If e-gold is paid in e-gold, then what happens to the gold?
Some of the gold being held as "backing" to cover the liability
e-gold, Ltd., has in the accounts of sundry users moves over
into the asset column. It is still bac
As some of you are aware, a hacker broke in and stole funds from an
exchanger, this exchanger RTGold.com is run by the two most hardest
working and honest people around. They take 100% of the risk, E-Gold of
course takes zero. That is business I guess, but I have heard from people
close to them
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