[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-07 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:45 AM 7/6/2001 -0400, you wrote: Michael Moore wrote: this has been an ongoing problem in commerce and banking and part of the answer (not the right one perhaps) has been to introduce the 'know your customer' policy. Unfortunately this also tends to cut across the rights of the

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Viking Coder
e-gold because e-gold is unfortunately turning out to be a crook magnet. Sad...but true. I must agree with you. Crooks are using e-gold for the exact same reason that legitimate user do. The ability to do world-wide commerce without fear of the transaction being cancelled. Legitimate

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread jpm
Any payment system, not just electronic ones, that allows non-repudiable payments will be fraught with scams and crooks until it goes mainstream. A payment system going mainstream doesn't reduce the number of scams crooks using it. It actually dramatically increases the number. What decreases is

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Paul Ewing
Any payment system, not just electronic ones, that allows non-repudiable payments will be fraught with scams and crooks until it goes mainstream. A payment system going mainstream doesn't reduce the number of scams crooks using it. It actually dramatically increases the number. What decreases

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Craig Spencer
Eric, For market makers to try to become thought police does not do this. Agreed. Unfortunately, Law Enforcement does not view it this way. The act of completing an exchange for a criminal (even if you do not KNOW it is a criminal) can be used against your business by Law Enforcement.

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Craig Spencer
Viking Coder wrote: Crooks are using e-gold for the exact same reason that legitimate user do. The ability to do world-wide commerce without fear of the transaction being cancelled. Legitimate users don't want to deal with fraudulent or boucing payments while crooks don't want to deal with

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Michael Moore
Very cogent analysis. So, in view of this, what can be done to differentiate the crooks from the honest people? The difficulty arises because both are using the system in the same ways for superficially similar purposes. The crooks hide in this ambiguity. But fundamentally there is

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Craig Spencer
SnowDog wrote: Very cogent analysis. So, in view of this, what can be done to differentiate the crooks from the honest people? The difficulty arises because both are using the system in the same ways for superficially similar purposes. The crooks hide in this ambiguity. But

[e-gold-list] Re: Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Craig Spencer
Michael Moore wrote: this has been an ongoing problem in commerce and banking and part of the answer (not the right one perhaps) has been to introduce the 'know your customer' policy. Unfortunately this also tends to cut across the rights of the individual. So the problem is where do you

[e-gold-list] On Crooks vs. honest people

2001-07-05 Thread Julian Morrison
The problem: a) If you do business with unidentified people, you can be dragged into their crimes, you can be swindled, and you can help crime in general prosper. b) If you force identity and audit trail of all people, you leave people no way to bypass pseudocrimes such as being unwilling to be