Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-15 Thread James J. Roper
against > Galileo was rational and just." > > Bill Silvert > > - Original Message - From: "Derek Pursell" > > To: > Sent: sábado, 15 de Maio de 2010 1:40 > > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: > [ECOLOG-L] evol

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-15 Thread William Silvert
ogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook Science and religion are indeed compatible, providing that people do not use the ideas and methodologies of one to override or undermine the other...

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-14 Thread Derek Pursell
eep an open mind and understand that faith and reason, while fundamentally different concepts, are both valid ideas and tools of the human mind.   - Derek E. Pursell --- On Fri, 5/14/10, James Crants wrote: From: James Crants Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOL

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-14 Thread James Crants
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres < sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Science is based on fact. > Religion is based on faith. > They don't mix. These statements, and some others that have come up, show how narrowly religion has come to be defined in western cultures. In Amer

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-13 Thread Sarah Frias-Torres
m: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news > [mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of William Silvert > Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 14:50 > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: > [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-13 Thread Jane Shevtsov
For many students, particularly nonmajors, the history of life is far more exciting than the details of how evolution works. Stanley's textbook _Earth Systems History_ is quite good, as is Dawkins _The Ancestor's Tale_ and Richard Fortey's book _Life_. (The latter is a bit dated, as it was publishe

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-13 Thread James J. Roper
For those of you who do not think that this debate is divisive, just check out the gubernatorial campaign in Alabama. Both sides are going against evolution to gain supporters! On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 00:18, Warren W. Aney wrote: > How about: Science is trying to discover the world as it is, r

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-13 Thread Warren W. Aney
Silvert Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 14:50 To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook My preferred definition is that science is about seeing the world as it is, religion about seeing the world as

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Eben Hodgin
As a recent graduate about to move on to a Masters in paleoecology, I have been following this thread looking for good summer reads. So I went to the library and checked out some of the books that have been recommended. I have started by picking up The Selfish Gene and The Reluctant Mr. Darwin.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread William Silvert
was and that man was god's favoured creation. Bill Silvert - Original Message - From: "Wayne Tyson" To: Sent: quarta-feira, 12 de Maio de 2010 19:49 Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook S

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Jan Ygberg
s > of Edward F. Ricketts" By Katherine A. Rodger, with a foreword by Susan F. > Beegel. It is not a text, but I am reluctant to term it "additional > reading." > > > - Original Message - From: "Madhusudan Katti" < > mka...@csufresno.edu> >

[ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
rd F. Ricketts" By Katherine A. Rodger, with a foreword by Susan F. Beegel. It is not a text, but I am reluctant to term it "additional reading." - Original Message - From: "Madhusudan Katti" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolutio

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Madhusudan Katti
Just following up on my earlier suggestion, there is a positive review of "The Tangled Bank" in the recent American Biology Teacher: http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1525/abt.2010.72.3.13 “For students of evolution or scholars who want to know the specifics about particular evolutionary proces

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Howie Neufeld
Dear All - Of the suggestions made, I would echo Ken Leonard's avoidance of Dawkins' latest book, The Greatest Show on Earth. It is too long, has several factual mistakes scattered throughout, and frankly, is boring to read. Jerry Coyne's book, Why Evolution is True, covers much of the same m

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Wayne Tyson
ses me as being an honest effort to tell a story of a personal experience with an helical twist. WT - Original Message - From: "Ben Fertig" To: Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook I'll throw 'The

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-12 Thread Ken Leonard
Hello! Of all the books recommended there are two _against_ which I would strongly recommend: Selfish Gene (Dawkins) and (Diversity of Life) Wilson. Dawkins uses a metaphor (the same-said selfish gene) which _may_ be valid for bio-science majors but which can be severely misleading for non-

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread James J. Roper
The Greatest Show on Earth, by Richard Dawkins. Enjoy. Jim jbowen wrote on 10-May-10 11:01: Hi All: In the fall I am going to be teaching an Evolutionary Biology course for students in the social sciences and humanities. No prior coursework in the natural sciences is required. I am curious if

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Ben Fertig
I'll throw 'The Beak of the Finch' by Jonathan Weiner into the mix. In addition to a very cogent explanation of natural selection, it continues the case study usage of finches in the Galapagos and personalizes the story with anecdotes of the scientists making the observations, which may also int

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread malcolm McCallum
I use the Selfish Gene in my lower-level genetics class and Diversity of Life in Ecology. A lot depends on the reading level of the folks you are dealing with. Malcolm On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Michael Cooperman < michael.cooper...@noaa.gov> wrote: > Hello - >Although not a text book

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Edwards, Dale
I had great success using two books: 1) David Quammen's book The Reluctant Mr. Darwin; and 2) Jerry Coyne's Why Evolution is True. Although Quammen’s book is succinct, it provides a wonderfully explicit portrait of Darwin’s life from 1837 until his death in 1882. Coyne’s book is replete wit

[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Mitch Cruzan
I teach evolution to non-majors and agree with the Tangled Bank suggestion. As a supplement I suggest The Evolution Dialogues printed by the AAAS. The later is particularly useful for students who have the perception that evolution conflicts with religion. Madhusudan Katti wrote: I'd look

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Eva-Maria Muecke
Hi, What a fun opportunity! I would recommend "Evolution for Dummies" and supplement this book with some other readings (Gould - Hen's teeth & Horse's toes?). The UC Berkeley evolution site is also great resource for this sort of class. There are a couple of cartoons I found especially eff

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Madhusudan Katti
I'd look at "The Tangled Bank: An Introduction to Evolution" by Carl Zimmer. Here's the Amazon page for the book: http://amzn.to/acUSiw. On 5/10/10 7:01 AM, jbowen wrote: Hi All: In the fall I am going to be teaching an Evolutionary Biology course for students in the social sciences and humanit

Re: [ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread Michael Cooperman
Hello - Although not a text book per se, Richard Dawkins' book The Selfish Gene would provide an excellent description of evolution and ample discussion material. Its been several years since I read it, but I think it was written to be easily accessible to a lay audience. Alongthe same

[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook

2010-05-10 Thread jbowen
Hi All: In the fall I am going to be teaching an Evolutionary Biology course for students in the social sciences and humanities. No prior coursework in the natural sciences is required. I am curious if the list might have recommendations for a textbook that is appropriate for this audience. Than