Re: FW: Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality!

2007-05-24 Thread Marcus Ricci
a lurker responds. i think a letter of policy statement coming from ESA is a good idea. i think that it could be done, respectfully, stating that 1) the two fields - science and religion - are fundamentally different, one based on theory and fact grounded by (usually) physical evidence, and the

Re: FW: Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality!

2007-05-24 Thread George Wang
The problem is that it's (almost) always the religionists trying to instigate squabbles with scientists. I know of no scientists who have walked into a church and demand that evolution be included as an alterantive to their preachings. It's always the religionists wanting religion be treated

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2007-05-05 Thread adam herbert
not sure how far to take your metaphor about trouble down lower. but my point is that religion and science will always argue until there's realization that they are each different states of consciousness. the non-validative, salutary truths of religions need not argue with the sensorimotor,

Re: FW: Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality!

2007-05-05 Thread Jim Sparks
Okay, this is a good start. What I would suggest is that the ESA field a letter responding to IJCR by stating in, layman's terms, the critical difference between science and religion and why its important not to get confused and why IJCR is a threat to science and possibly even the democratic