faculty salaries

2001-03-14 Thread Bob Hayden
- Forwarded message from dennis roberts - in most large institutions ... the notion of performance based pay is a myth ... since it is easy to document clear differences in performance for faculty in different Colleges .. where pay is lopsided in favor of a favored college (like busine

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Alan McLean
Jerry Dallal wrote: > > Alan McLean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > : There is certainly an argument that when trialling a new treatment (I > : initially used the word 'testing' here, but figure that it may be > : confused with the statistical test of the resultant data) it is > : presumably expe

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread dennis roberts
in most large institutions ... the notion of performance based pay is a myth ... since it is easy to document clear differences in performance for faculty in different Colleges .. where pay is lopsided in favor of a favored college (like business) even when productivity (however you define i

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Irving Scheffe
Thanks again for the clarification, Jim. I think we are in essential agreement. To reply succinctly to your message: 1. Certainly, as a general rule one should *always* look at distributional shape as well as summary statistics. Feminists seldom do, by the way, in advancing arguments about discr

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, RD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 13 Mar 2001 16:32:15 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Herman >Rubin) wrote: >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >>RD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>On 13 Mar 2001 07:12:33 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote: 1. some test

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Jerry Dallal
Alan McLean ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : There is certainly an argument that when trialling a new treatment (I : initially used the word 'testing' here, but figure that it may be : confused with the statistical test of the resultant data) it is : presumably expected to work. Consequently, if a pe

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Irving Scheffe
Actually, I wasn't even referring to Mr. Ulrich! I was referring to the state of the art in feminist analysis of "gender discrimination" in university faculties. I can, indeed, understand why the Landgrebian Mr. Ulrich would be sensitive. He hasn't driven me anywhere. I'm still calmly waiting fo

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Jerry Dallal
dennis roberts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : it would only be unethical if a better alternative were available ... or : even a possibly better alternative were available ... and the investigator : or the one making the decision to give or not to give ... KNOWS this ... : AND HAS the ability to

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Radford Neal
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Ulrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >(This guy is already posting irrelevant rants as if >I've driven him up the wall or something. So this >is just another poke in the eye with a blunt stick, to see >what he will swing at next) I think we may take this

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Alan McLean
As we saw recently on this > (or another stats list), there is much confusion between > "one-tailed" in the sense of a directional test (which concerns > the direction of differences or correlations) and "one-tailed" in > the narrower sense of tail of distribution (e.g., chi^2). These > uses are

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread dennis roberts
At 04:10 PM 3/14/01 -0500, Rich Ulrich wrote: >Oh, I see. You do the opposite. Your own >flabby rationalizations might be subtly valid, >and, on close examination, >*do* have some relationship to the questions could we ALL please lower a notch or two ... the darts and arrows? i can't k

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Alan McLean
Apart from making the observation that there are many applications of tests that do not involve ethical considerations, I am not at all clear how this example relates to one or two tailed testing. There is certainly an argument that when trialling a new treatment (I initially used the word 'testi

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Rich Ulrich
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001 14:04:19 -0800, Irving Scheffe (JS) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, in practice, the decisions are seldom made > on the basis of rational evaluation of data. They > are usually made on the basis of political pressure, > with thin, and obviously invalid, pseudo-rationali

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread jim clark
Hi On 13 Mar 2001, dennis roberts wrote: > i give a survey and ... have categorized respondents into male and females > ... and also into science major and non science majors ... and find a data > table like: > non science science > C1 C2Total > M 1 24

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Computing the variance of cumulative survival-rate (kaplan-meier)

2001-03-14 Thread Bernd Weiss
Hi, I found two different formula for calculating the varicance of the cumulative survival-rate (km-estimator). #1: var(S)=S^2 * \sum[d/r(r-d)] ist called Greenwood's formula #2: var(S)=S^2*(1-S)/r where S: cum. survuval-rate d: number of events r: number of individuals at risk I prefer for

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread RD
On 13 Mar 2001 14:23:04 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote: >well, help me out a bit > >i give a survey and ... have categorized respondents into male and females >... and also into science major and non science majors ... and find a data >table like: > >MTB > chisquare c1 c2 > >Ch

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Will Hopkins wrote: >> Responses to various folks. And to everyone touchy about one-tailed >> tests, let me make it quite clear that I am only promoting them as a >> way of making a sensible statement about probability. A t

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> More importantly, I would say: DON'T DO TESTS. Instead, try to find >> models that you would be prepared to use to predict the response >> in as-yet untried circumstances. >> -- >Hypothesis tes

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread RD
On 13 Mar 2001 16:32:15 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Herman Rubin) wrote: >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >RD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>On 13 Mar 2001 07:12:33 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dennis roberts) wrote: > >>>1. some test statistics are naturally (the way they work anyway) ONE sided >>>wi

Re: Discrete approximation of a cont. distribution

2001-03-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <98nshl$kkc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tomas =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=E5gland?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >My problem is to generate a univariate discrete distribution >having specified first four moments. There are infinitely many such distributions, and the extreme solutions are all discrete. Fo

GAUSS vs. Matlab

2001-03-14 Thread Vadim Marmer
Can somebody tell me what are advantages of Matlab over Gauss? Is there any reason to learn both ? Which one is better for statistical/econometrics analysis? Thank you = Instructions for joining and leaving this list and remarks a

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread dennis roberts
At 03:39 PM 3/14/01 +, Jerry Dallal wrote: >It wasn't ironically and has nothing to do with 5%. As Marvin Zelen >has pointed out, one-tailed tests are unethical from a human >subjects perspective because they state that the difference can go >in only one direction (we can argue about tests t

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Herman Rubin
In article , Will Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Responses to various folks. And to everyone touchy about one-tailed >tests, let me make it quite clear that I am only promoting them as a >way of making a sensible statement about probability. A two-t

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Robert J. MacG. Dawson
Jerry Dallal wrote: > > It wasn't ironically and has nothing to do with 5%. As Marvin Zelen > has pointed out, one-tailed tests are unethical from a human > subjects perspective because they state that the difference can go > in only one direction (we can argue about tests that are similar on

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan McLean) writes: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> More importantly, I would say: DON'T DO TESTS. Instead, try to find >> models that you would be prepared to use to predict the response >> in as-yet untried circumstances. >> -- > >Hyp

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread Jerry Dallal
Will Hopkins wrote: > > Jerry Dallal wrote, ironically: > >If you're doing a 1 tailed test, why test at all? Just switch from > >standard treatment to the new one. Can't do any harm. Every field > >is littered with examples where one-tailed tests would have led to > >disasters (harmful treatmen

Re: One tailed vs. Two tailed test

2001-03-14 Thread J E H Shaw
Thanks for your e-mail (which arrived much later than your post to the newsgroup). I've already posted an apology and half-retraction for saying something I didn't really mean! -- Ewart J.E.H.Shaw [Ewart Shaw][EMAIL PROTECTED] TEL: +44 2476 523069 Department of Statistic

1 tail 2 tail mumbo jumbo

2001-03-14 Thread dennis roberts
as i have stated in another forum ... there exists a need (in my view) to do some revamping of our typical 2 by 2 table that we use to layout the matrix of errors and correct decisions in hypothesis testing ... but that is another story however, i think that we definitely need some standardiza

Discrete approximation of a cont. distribution

2001-03-14 Thread Tomas Lågland
My problem is to generate a univariate discrete distribution having specified first four moments. This is part of a larger problem where I want to generate a multivariate discrete distribution where the moments are specified separately for each dimension and the multivariate distribution should al

Re: On inappropriate hypothesis testing. Was: MIT Sexism & statistical bunk

2001-03-14 Thread Thom Baguley
Irving Scheffe wrote: > I'm quite confident that, if you examine any > data you want, you'll emerge with the conclusion > that a 4.5 to 1 ratio is, in fact, "huge." If you > feel otherwise, do the study and refute us. > > An even more interesting question (than > the "hugeness" of the 4.5 to 1 ra