Re: (none)

2001-05-10 Thread Jay Warner
I've had occasion to talk with a number of educator types lately, at different application and responsibility levels of primary & secondary Ed.  Only one recalled the term, regression toward the mean.  Some (granted, the less analytically minded) vehemently denied that such could be causing the r

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Juha Puranen
Ronald Bloom wrote: > > In sci.stat.consult Elliot Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In sci.stat.consult Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Herman as usual is absolutely correct; the validity of the Fisher test is > > analagous to the validity of regression tests which are derived >

Re: Question

2001-05-10 Thread Donald Burrill
On Thu, 10 May 2001, Magill, Brett wrote, inter alia: > How should these data be analyzed? The difficulty is that the data > are cross level. Not the traditional multi-level model however. Hi, Brett. I don't understand this statement. Looks to me like an obvious place to apply multilevel

Re: (none)

2001-05-10 Thread EugeneGall
>Subject: Re: (none) >From: Rich Ulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: 5/10/2001 5:15 PM Eastern CH: " Why do articles appear in print when study methods, analyses, >results, and conclusions are somewhat faulty?" > > - I suspect it might be a consequence of "Sturgeon's Law," >named after the science

Q: statistical techniques for series of events

2001-05-10 Thread Mark W. Humphries
I have a sample set of series of state-changes/events/behaviors, from this sample I'd like to generalize a scoring method for the likelihood of a criterion behavior on other data sets. Could someone guide me to the appropriate statistical technique for this type of problem and any useful resources

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread David Duffy
In sci.stat.edu Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has become the custom, in epidemiological reports > to use always the hypergeometric inference test -- > The Fisher Exact Test -- when treating 2x2 tables > arising from all manner of experimental setups -- e.g. Only for tables with s

Re: Question

2001-05-10 Thread dennis roberts
this is not unlike having scores for students in a class ... one score for each student and ... the age of the teacher of THOSE students ... for a class ... scores will vary but, age for the teacher remains the same ... but the age might be different in ANother class with a different teacher .

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Elliot Cramer
In sci.stat.consult Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Herman as usual is absolutely correct; the validity of the Fisher test is analagous to the validity of regression tests which are derived conditional on x but, since the distribution does not involve x, are valid unconditionally even if t

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Rich Ulrich
- I offer a suggestion of a reference. On 10 May 2001 17:25:36 GMT, Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ snip, much detail ] > It has become the custom, in epidemiological reports > to use always the hypergeometric inference test -- > The Fisher Exact Test -- when treating 2x2 tables >

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Ronald Bloom
In sci.stat.consult Elliot Cramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In sci.stat.consult Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Herman as usual is absolutely correct; the validity of the Fisher test is > analagous to the validity of regression tests which are derived > conditional on x but, since the

Re: (none)

2001-05-10 Thread Rich Ulrich
- selecting from CH's article, and re-formatting. I don't know if I am agreeing, disagreeing, or just rambling on. On 4 May 2001 10:15:23 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Huberty) wrote: CH: " Why do articles appear in print when study methods, analyses, results, and conclusions are somewhat

Question

2001-05-10 Thread Magill, Brett
A colleague has a data set with a structure like the one below: ID X1 X2 Y 1 1 0.700.40 2 1 0.800.40 3 1 0.650.40 4 2 1.200.25 5 2 1.100.25 6 3 0.900.30 7 4 0.500.50 8

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Ronald Bloom
In sci.stat.edu Herman Rubin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Each one of these probability setups 1-3 gives rise to a somewhat >>different small-sample inferential test. In particular, >>the schemes (1),(2),(3) give rise to distributions conditioned >>on 3, 2, and 1 fixed parameters respectively.

Re: 2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Herman Rubin
In article <9deiug$l0h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ronald Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Significance tests for 2x2 tables require that the single observed >table be regarded as if it were, (under the null hypothesis of >"uniformity" or "independence") but a single instance drawn at >random from a

2x2 tables in epi. Why Fisher test?

2001-05-10 Thread Ronald Bloom
Significance tests for 2x2 tables require that the single observed table be regarded as if it were, (under the null hypothesis of "uniformity" or "independence") but a single instance drawn at random from a universe of replicates. Insofar as there are at least three well-known distinct such