Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-08 Thread Kirby Urner
Talk about fishing for expert help! Thanks Guido. It's a pruning algorithm where I strip way pieces that don't meet up at (x,y,z) bridge points. Lots of symmetry about the origin so just pure distance won't work (not unique enough). I think might still get away with a tuple-indexed dict (t

Re: [Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-08 Thread Guido van Rossum
Alas, you can't do that, and the problem isn't a deficiency of dicts, but the fact that "almost equal" is not a transitive relationship. Think about it. (Boy that brings back memories of math classes in college, way, way, back, where a professor pointed this out casually as an counter-illustration

[Edu-sig] Basic dictionary question

2005-10-08 Thread Kirby Urner
So here's my situation. I have a set of XYZ tuples that'll come very close to matching, most of them in pairs, but thanks to floating point, I can only rely on "fuzzy equality" i.e. within a tolerance of say |e| per each x,y,z. In other words, for all intents and purposes, I could consider (1.0,

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread John Zelle
OK, I think I'm getting some insight here, but something still doesn't quite ring true for me. I said: >>I hear researchers say this at conferences, and I read it in the >>literature about gender balance in computer science, but I still don't >>understand it. Can you explain why when selecting

[Edu-sig] Gender and Programming (was: Microsoft's KPL)

2005-10-08 Thread Dethe Elza
Just a couple of data points for the discussion. My eight-year-old daughter loves math and computers and has asked me how she can make her own computer games. I've tried showing her what goes into making games and she lost interest for now. She also writes stories, draws beautifully, inve

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Arthur > Cc: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Radenski, Atanas'; 'Chuck Allison'; edu- > I think that only people who thrive on playing with their > mathematical intuition will love computer science and all > higher math.

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Laura, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 8:53:09 PM, you wrote: LC> I think that only people who thrive on playing with their LC> mathematical intuition will love computer science and all LC> higher math. But most women do not work on developing one. This is complicated nowadays by the fact that

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 22:32:01 EDT, Arthur writes: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:52 PM >> > To: Radenski, Atanas

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Arthur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:52 PM > > To: Radenski, Atanas > > Cc: Arthur; Laura Creighton; Chuck Allison; edu-sig@python.org; >

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:52 PM > To: Radenski, Atanas > Cc: Arthur; Laura Creighton; Chuck Allison; edu-sig@python.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kirby Urner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Chuck Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:01 PM > To: Laura Creighton > Cc: Arthur; 'Kirby Urner'; edu-sig@python.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re[4]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL > > I find this very illuminating. To be

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Kirby Urner
> But I have read plenty of research through math society publications > that suggests that perhaps there is a genetic difference > mathematically. The jury is still out, of course, but the numbers > point that way. That's what the Harvard president in trouble, but the > numbers are in his favor. I

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:25:57 PDT, "Radenski, Atanas" writes: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On >> Behalf Of Arthur > > >> Beauty is beauty, and is never useful. > >'Beautiful' is what gives us pleasure. (Things that give us pleasure

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:54:14 EDT, Arthur writes: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of John Zelle > >> I speak to women all the time, and when I ask them why they're not in >> CS, they tell me it's because they don't like

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:31:46 CDT, John Zelle writes: >As usual, I don't have time to comment on all the intriguing things that >have come out of this thread. But gender balance is something that I've >spent a lot of time thinking about and working on as regards our own >program. So

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Radenski, Atanas
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Arthur > Beauty is beauty, and is never useful. 'Beautiful' is what gives us pleasure. (Things that give us pleasure can be useful at times, perhaps.) I am curious why computers do not seem to give e

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Chuck Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 9:06 PM > To: Arthur > Cc: 'Laura Creighton'; 'Kirby Urner'; edu-sig@python.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re[4]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL Chuck writes - > That's what the Harvar

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Arthur, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 6:27:41 PM, you wrote: A> Not getting it. Beauty is beauty, and is never useful. Why is there a A> rejection in the women's culture of this particular form of useless beauty? A> But there are 2 important things to reject, I believe: A> That women are s

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Laura, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 5:01:16 PM, you wrote: LC> Why females shy away from math and science is no big mystery. It is LC> deemed 'not useful' by them. See many posts by Anna Ravenscoft on the LC> subject here in edu.sig archives. These days she is 'Anna Ravenscroft LC> Martell

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John Zelle > I speak to women all the time, and when I ask them why they're not in > CS, they tell me it's because they don't like computers. I've never ever > had one tell me they didn't find compute

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:27:41 EDT, Arthur writes: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:01 PM >> To: Chuck Allison >> Cc: Arthur; 'Kirby Urner'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig@python.org; >> [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:01 PM > To: Chuck Allison > Cc: Arthur; 'Kirby Urner'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig@python.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL > > > Why females

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread John Zelle
As usual, I don't have time to comment on all the intriguing things that have come out of this thread. But gender balance is something that I've spent a lot of time thinking about and working on as regards our own program. So I felt compelled to say something. Laura Creighton wrote: > Why femal

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Laura Creighton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 7:01 PM > To: Chuck Allison > Cc: Arthur; 'Kirby Urner'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig@python.org; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL > In Sweden we ha

[Edu-sig] just got this as part of an email answer to a debian-kde problem

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
that I had. --- Wulfmann Wulf Credo: Respect the elders. Teach the young. Co-operate with the pack. Play when you can. Hunt when you must. Rest in between. Share your affections. Voice your opinion. Leave your Mark. - I think it misses 'appreciate beauty, defend the weak and opr

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
Why females shy away from math and science is no big mystery. It is deemed 'not useful' by them. See many posts by Anna Ravenscoft on the subject here in edu.sig archives. These days she is 'Anna Ravenscroft Martelli' having married Alex Martelli. (Hi Anna. cc'd to you so as to not talk behin

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Laura Creighton
Do you know about PyPy? http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html It sounds to me as if you have the sort of upper level students that would appreciate a compiler they can hack. We like students. JIT goes in this week. unashamed product announcement, Laura In a message of Sat, 08 Oct

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Chuck Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Arthur > Cc: 'Kirby Urner'; 'David Handy'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig@python.org > Subject: Re[4]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL > > Hello Arthur, > > Saturday, October 8, 2005, 1:25:44 PM, you wrote: > > A> I recen

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Arthur, Saturday, October 8, 2005, 1:25:44 PM, you wrote: A> I recently read Paul Graham's "Hackers and Painters" - which was not the A> book I was expecting it to be. It was more a book about business, and A> organization to do business - and less a book about programming. He talks A> un

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Chuck Allison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 1:12 PM > To: Kirby Urner > Cc: 'Arthur'; 'David Handy'; 'Laura Creighton'; edu-sig@python.org > Subject: Re[2]: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL > > > About Arthur's "affiliated" comments,

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Arthur, Friday, October 7, 2005, 5:56:09 PM, you wrote: A> Back to David's point. There is no denying that there is politics alive in A> the public schools hurting education. As a damn good "for example" would be A> the notion that math and science, according to some vocal segment, needin

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Chuck Allison
Hello Kirby et al, Here in Utah we have the newly formed Neumont University, which is largely supported by MSFT and IBM. In 2.5 years students get a "bachelors" in CS. I put it in quotes because, having visited them and heard their spiel and studied their offerings, I believe they are skimping on

Re: [Edu-sig] Microsoft's KPL

2005-10-08 Thread Kirby Urner
Thanks Chuck, good info and insights. I think a lot of CS degree paths featured watered down material. In a way that's good for philo majors like me -- easier to compete with the grads of those programs when doing job interviews around getting work with computer giants. Kirby