Re: [Edu-sig] Renaming PyWhip

2010-02-24 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:32 AM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.eduwrote: OK, PyWhip is out. I'm still looking for something short and memorable. How about PyJet? Fits right in with its most likely home on App Engine. I can even imagine a logo with a jet engine strapped to a Python.

Re: [Edu-sig] Renaming PyWhip...

2010-02-23 Thread kirby urner
How about FlyPy as in taking her out for a test flight. Snake with little wings as a logo? Or maybe we're saving that for the airline. :) Kirby On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote: A sense of humor is a great thing, Jeremy, but in this case I'm looking for a

Re: [Edu-sig] learning harness of choice?

2010-02-10 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:08 AM, Andre Roberge andre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: snip Well, you can always have both using Firefox ... and Crunchy. ;-)  It does work with Python 3.1. Thanks André. I was impressed by your demo last year at Pycon and have played with Crunchy since. I

Re: [Edu-sig] Computational Math Wiki

2010-02-10 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: I just added Names item to this page, so if you are interested in contributing, say so there. Cheers, Maria Droujkova http://www.naturalmath.com Make math your own, to make your own math. Would a link to Digital

[Edu-sig] Another mind map for planning Pythonic math

2010-02-10 Thread kirby urner
The Executable Mathematics branch on in this web frame gives some sense of where the Math 2.0 group is going with Python. We've been discussing a possible conference, might double as an eduPycon. http://mind42.com/pub/mindmap?mid=dec0c458-c74e-4057-b041-c74d26b986e0 You'll see Python mentioned

Re: [Edu-sig] Computational Math Wiki

2010-02-10 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Wagner philhwag...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Thank you all for your enthusiasm and support, I am so excited to be a part of this. Phil philhwag...@gmail.com Got it. Internet slow today per thread below:

[Edu-sig] Crunch Frog mentioned on Philippines list

2010-02-10 Thread kirby urner
Hi Andre -- So my blurb about Crunch Frog just made it through moderation: http://groups.google.com/group/pinoy-python-users/browse_thread/thread/64359b0e5f22f919?hl=en I hope this will get a few new users trying out your learning harness. I went to high school in Manila, while dad worked

[Edu-sig] learning harness of choice?

2010-02-09 Thread kirby urner
Per some thread in the Philippines I'm following, a guy teaching new users using 3.1 in pure IDLE is frustrating finding that frustrating, too much crashing. I've heard that before, but haven't encountered much yet, testing on Win7 and Ubuntu 9.10 these days. Wing101 and most other IDEs (e.g.

Re: [Edu-sig] Transition to OOP

2010-02-08 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:33 PM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: csev wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:31 PM, kirby urner wrote: What I'm not seeing here is any plans to venture into user-defined types i.e. rolling your own classes. I am indeed tempted into user-defined types

[Edu-sig] core versus superficial Python

2010-02-03 Thread kirby urner
I've been offering some pointers to this gentleman in Indonesia wishing to learn Python. What's clear to me is he's chomping at the bit to get to the most impressive use case demonstrations, involving VPython, matplotlib, other 3rd party packages. He's not giving himself much time to just mess

Re: [Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long)

2010-01-29 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: When I hear Object Oriented Programming, I think of something much more difficult than the examples you have shown, something that might even get into the intricacies of MRO, something that is normally taught

Re: [Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long)

2010-01-29 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:40 PM, michel paul mpaul...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP A truly excellent write-up Michel. I'm glad you're reminding us about Sage. Your use of Computational Thinking (CT) mirrors Maria's suggestion for what a course of this nature might be called. Computational Analysis

[Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long)

2010-01-27 Thread kirby urner
From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long) To: edu-sig@python.org On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 2:53 AM, David MacQuigg macqu...@ece.arizona.edu wrote: kirby urner wrote: I've been hyping digital

Re: [Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long)

2010-01-26 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 3:20 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: In sum, I think the best way to teach OO is not make it *not* a strictly computer science topic, but just a science topic more generally. Messed that one up eh? Make it *not* a strictly computer science topic... So

Re: [Edu-sig] Could there be a new test, call it AP something else?

2010-01-25 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Litvin lit...@skylit.com wrote: Me too -- by a factor of two.  At least.  So what?  First language discussions flare up regularly on the ap-compsci listserve.  In this forum, Python would win, of course. :)  I am all for Python, but I don't believe in the

Re: [Edu-sig] some turtle questions

2010-01-25 Thread kirby urner
Hi Brian -- If you wanna go to a lot of work, but not a huge amount, write wrapper class for the Standard Library turtle that intercepts its commands and updates an on-board data structure, representing pixels x pixels, specifying self position, keep color info stashed per each one. That's a lot

[Edu-sig] Math + Python: reviewing some themes (long)

2010-01-24 Thread kirby urner
Greetings edu-sig folks: I've got a somewhat long one here. I encourage any responders not to quote the whole thing, just go for the gusto and quote the one thing you wanna do a thread on? I welcome changes to the subject line. One of my bad habits is to introduce new topics in response to a

[Edu-sig] parked lesson plans

2010-01-16 Thread kirby urner
Greetings edu-sig peers. Kirby from Portland, Oregon (MLK Weedend, 2010) FYI here's me posting in a recent thread, Philippines user group: http://groups.google.com/group/pinoy-python-users/browse_thread/thread/ad517401b06d7100?hl=en Parking some pointers, recycling some good stuff: pointers

[Edu-sig] more technical writing re Pythonic math

2010-01-13 Thread kirby urner
Some notes on: Mathematics for the Digital Age and Programming in Python, 2nd Edition by Maria Litvin and Gary Litvin === I just got my evaluation copy of the 2nd edition and I've been plowing through it eagerly. For those just joining, I've been somewhat zealously proposing we converge math

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig page advice to teachers

2010-01-13 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Andre Roberge andre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, here's the revised version  (please feel free to suggest changes): I think your new verbiage is well crafted. I understand what you mean about why people unfamiliar with Python might want to start with 2.6 /

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig page advice to teachers

2010-01-12 Thread kirby urner
[ thread moved to edu-sig ] On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 4:37 AM, Maria Droujkova droujk...@gmail.com wrote: Some of my kids are about to start using Python for our Physics and Modeling, up from Scratch. I am scared to death and still have not selected a version for them. All of them run Windows

Re: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig page advice to teachers

2010-01-11 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Vern Ceder vce...@canterburyschool.org wrote: kirby urner wrote: I'm wondering if this should be fine tuned to more explicitly encourage 2.6 and above if doing Python 2 (because of 3rd party dependencies), 3.x in all other cases. +1 2.6 has the new format

[Edu-sig] Edu-sig page advice to teachers

2010-01-07 Thread kirby urner
Current verbiage: As a result of the changes, programs written for Python 2 are likely to be incompatible with Python 3 (and vice-versa). Since both versions are going to co-exist for a while, a choice has to be made as to which one to use. As a very subjective opinion, we would like to offer

[Edu-sig] Fwd: student project (market reseach)

2009-12-30 Thread kirby urner
Greetings to edu-sig friends, HNY! Kirby -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:49 PM Subject: student project (market reseach) Slinging code from this resource: http://uswaretech.com/blog/2009/06/bing-python-api/ More

Re: [Edu-sig] Another cross-reference (edu-sig, math-teach)

2009-12-10 Thread kirby urner
, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: FYI mentions Python in connection with constructivism a few times, also OLPC and MIT: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2019948tstart=0 Comments welcome of course. Kirby -- from mars import math http://www.wikieducator.org

[Edu-sig] Another cross-reference (edu-sig, math-teach)

2009-12-09 Thread kirby urner
FYI mentions Python in connection with constructivism a few times, also OLPC and MIT: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2019948tstart=0 Comments welcome of course. Kirby -- from mars import math http://www.wikieducator.org/Digital_Math

[Edu-sig] Re FOSS and fonts

2009-12-08 Thread kirby urner
I should perhaps direct this to a marketing list, but then it's more about Drupal than Python if you read the whole thing. PHP is our friend, is one of those P languages from LAMP days, before CMS and web frameworks and Ruby on Rails (with which relations are also friendly, thanks to Django's

Re: [Edu-sig] New APL

2009-12-06 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: An old friend, ex-IBM, ex-Wall Street, is working on a new Open Source APL which he and I intend to get into the Sugar education software for OLPC. I can't tell you any more than that until he puts code out for the

Re: [Edu-sig] New APL

2009-12-06 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Next I will post you something on the Global Warming thread on the Wikieducator list. Kirby [1] From my journal:  http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2009/12/portland-notes.html [2] http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2009

Re: [Edu-sig] teaching python using turtle module

2009-11-30 Thread kirby urner
I'm glad turtle graphics intersected my thinking re extended precision decimals (Decimal type) on edu-sig just now. I've updated my tmods.py to contain a turtle rendering the plane-net of a T-mod: http://www.4dsolutions.net/ocn/python/tmod.py (runnable source)

Re: [Edu-sig] Using the Decimal type in Martian Math

2009-11-29 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:58 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP print K Module print K in tetravolumes: , kvol * syn3 print Rh Triacontrahedron: , 120 * kvol * syn3 I'm now comparing output from this script on Ubuntu netbook Python 2.6 and WinXP HP desktop Python 3.1

Re: [Edu-sig] teaching python using turtle module

2009-11-29 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: snip Drunkard's Walk. If our think tank (isepp.org) could have gotten permission, we'd have used that Monopoly guy (looks kinda like Planters peanut guy) randomly walking on like some chess board with a lamp post

[Edu-sig] Fwd: PyCon Posters deadline looms: Nov. 30

2009-11-19 Thread kirby urner
Some of you will have seen this, apropos edu-sig. Note that virtual posters have a later deadline. Kirby -- Forwarded message -- From: Catherine Devlin catherine.dev...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:13 PM Subject: PyCon Posters deadline looms: Nov. 30 To:

[Edu-sig] nexting vs. kicking (generators)

2009-11-17 Thread kirby urner
My thanks to Carl Trachte for reminding me to make this link to a famous photograph of Ernest Hemingway: http://marbury.typepad.com/marbury/2009/09/kicking-the-can-down-the-road.html I've taken to binding kick to next (a built-in) and kicking the can down the road as my metaphor for iterating

Re: [Edu-sig] more card play

2009-11-04 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 22:20, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote: In a message of Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:27:35 PST, Edward Cherlin writes: Cards: You are right on the merits for combinatory math, but you will run into

Re: [Edu-sig] more card play

2009-11-03 Thread kirby urner
system language, e.g. Python and C, or Jython and Java. Kirby 4D On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 19:55, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I'm becoming more enamored of the idea of using playing cards as a standard feature in my Python pedagogy and andragogy (means teaching adults). Not only do

Re: [Edu-sig] more card play

2009-11-03 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote: In a message of Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:27:35 PST, Edward Cherlin writes: Cards: You are right on the merits for combinatory math, but you will run into strong cultural aversions. Why?  Especially when _dice_ seem to be the

Re: [Edu-sig] more card play

2009-11-03 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Travis Vaught tra...@vaught.net wrote: On Nov 3, 2009, at 10:04 AM, kirby urner wrote: On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Cards: You are right on the merits for combinatory math, but you will run into strong cultural

[Edu-sig] more card play

2009-11-01 Thread kirby urner
I'm becoming more enamored of the idea of using playing cards as a standard feature in my Python pedagogy and andragogy (means teaching adults). Not only do we have the standard deck, but also Tarot which could get us more into text files, string substitution (string.Template) and so forth.

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for Philosophers

2009-10-30 Thread kirby urner
I was thinking more about this Python for Philosophers thread and decided to write some pathological Python to help make a point, thought readers here might be interested... Note in the short class definition below, that not only do I not use the name 'self' (which is not a keyword) but I use

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for Philosophers

2009-10-29 Thread kirby urner
/airplane-reading.html On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:25, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: I've been seeing some conversations aimed at expanding the Python community (the community of Python users) beyond the world of computer science and IT, into the Liberal Arts more generally.[0]  Of course

[Edu-sig] Python for Philosophers

2009-10-28 Thread kirby urner
I've been seeing some conversations aimed at expanding the Python community (the community of Python users) beyond the world of computer science and IT, into the Liberal Arts more generally.[0] Of course this is music to my ears. Parallel to this notion that ordinary math learning would be

Re: [Edu-sig] Python for Philosophers

2009-10-28 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:25 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: trim ADDENDUM: [0] http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20090831.140043.d7465e01.en.html I acknowledge in advance that some here may send up a red flag re my citing of a post by Xah Lee. The late Arthur Siegel

Re: [Edu-sig] Practice Programs/Problems

2009-10-28 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:44 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: trim The little challenges posed to students in this annual contest are pretty good.  I should do more to get them on the web someplace, had earlier contacted their author for a PDF version -- let's see if I can

Re: [Edu-sig] Summarizing some threads (KIrby again)...

2009-10-24 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote: A problem arises when one has to learn new material.  For many of us, actually writing the material down makes us retain it better.  And for me, at any rate, writing it down in longhand works better for the memorisation

[Edu-sig] Summarizing some threads (KIrby again)...

2009-10-23 Thread kirby urner
Those of you frequenting this list for some years will recognize most of these themes. From time to time I like to archive a summary. Principal themes: I. Math Objects (an approach to learning math) II. Objects First (an approach to learning programming) These two go hand-in-hand. Math

Re: [Edu-sig] Summarizing some threads (KIrby again)...

2009-10-23 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, you're on the right track. All of schooling is based on medieval metaphors (such as the lecture, originally for purposes of dictation in the days before printing) and the history of thought, instead of the logic of

[Edu-sig] test pattern...

2009-10-21 Thread kirby urner
1-2-3 testing. Just testing the archives, seeing how it looks when it gets there. Some thought going into making another Python list with English not the official language (there's only one other meeting that description according to my sources). This might be a good test of anyone's email

[Edu-sig] Touting edu-sig as role model for diversity-sig

2009-10-19 Thread kirby urner
and relevant) Kirby Urner PSF 09 -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: Your message to Diversity awaits moderator approval To: Catherine Devlin catherine.dev...@gmail.com Cc: Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com

[Edu-sig] Followup re Diversity

2009-10-19 Thread kirby urner
to the Diversity mailing list Posting of your message titled Re: [Diversity] Admin: Kirby Urner now moderated has been rejected by the list moderator. The moderator gave the following reason for rejecting your request: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the moderator. Aahz: I was going

Re: [Edu-sig] [Diversity] diversity-sig

2009-10-19 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Aahz a...@pythoncraft.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 19, 2009, Steve Holden wrote: A little discussion is indeed in order - including when we are going to start up the diversity-SIG list to run along the lines of other Python SIGs. Starting diversity-sig has

Re: [Edu-sig] more fun with cards

2009-10-17 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:46 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: The code below isn't stellar, but has some pedagogical value nevertheless. Indeed the code was far from stellar, however it gave some direction. The version below is in Python 3.1 and demonstrates primitive conditionals

Re: [Edu-sig] recent curriculum writing (Urner)

2009-10-15 Thread kirby urner
, Malbolge, and many more, some designed to be fun, some just to prove it could be done, and some to be evil. thanks! On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 13:36, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: What do we mean by computer language? What do we mean by computer? Right here we could fork off

[Edu-sig] recent curriculum writing (Urner)

2009-10-08 Thread kirby urner
What do we mean by computer language? One could answer in terms of using text to control electronics, and that would be accurate. However there's also the goal of a philosophical logic: to express situations in the world, to mirror them for the purposes of simulation. The veteran programmer of

[Edu-sig] more fun with cards

2009-10-08 Thread kirby urner
The code below isn't stellar, but has some pedagogical value nevertheless. In general, I'm looking at constituting a deck of 52 cards, or 54 with two jokers, this time with each card an object. In a C struct, you could imagine the suit (e.g. Diamond), rank (e.g. Jack) and value (e.g. 11) all

Re: [Edu-sig] help and suggestions

2009-10-06 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM, roberto robert...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, this post is a request of a mix of: your help (one half) your scientific experience (one half) i plan to ground my math teaching experience on an inquiry based approach to learning (i think you know definitely better

Re: [Edu-sig] Feedback sought on blog post: Where do all the geek girls go?

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
of advice: stick to world domination as our shared goal of our geek subculture, and we'll all get along just fine: http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157...@n00/3639256600/in/set-72157619963850814/ Kirby Urner in Portland Related blog posts: http://coffeeshopsnet.blogspot.com/2009/06/os-bridge

Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs...

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
@python.org [mailto:edu-sig-bounces+ford=linfield@python.org] On Behalf Of Edward Cherlin Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: kirby urner Cc: edu-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] poking some dying logs... On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:36 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [Edu-sig] Crunchy and Sphinx?

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
I have high regard for Crunchy Frog, another Monty Python allusion (I make sure kids learn). I also met a music band recently by that name, includes didgeridoo playing. Perhaps we'll see some YouTube commercials for this free product soon? I encourage open source developers to create demand for

Re: [Edu-sig] Elevator Demo for Python

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
Me: Also, J is significantly different from APL, just just in terms of using ASCII instead of those non-Latin-1 operators, however once again the family grouping is correct. not just in terms of ... here's a link to that paper Iverson helped me with:

Re: [Edu-sig] Elevator Demo for Python

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Phil Wagner pwag...@hightechhigh.org wrote: Often I am asked for a quick demonstration about the power of Python, sometimes for people with no computer science background. What can I show

Re: [Edu-sig] Slope Art

2009-10-05 Thread kirby urner
expose at that code in the context of a __ribs__ first approach (= ObjectsFirst [tm]). In general, I like using a 3D graphical engine for all my 2D work, as that gives you the freedom to rotate the camera position. POV-Ray and x3d (= VRML + XML) would be another two formats. Kirby Urner

[Edu-sig] Fwd: Geometries, irrationals (was Re: thought re graphing calculators ...)

2009-10-01 Thread kirby urner
From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 8:00 PM Subject: Re: Geometries, irrationals (was Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...) To: Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com Cc: Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at, edu-sig@python.org On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-30 Thread kirby urner
. Peano, Hausdorff, Julia, Koch, and many others were also playing with fractals starting more than a century ago. Kirby Or you could say Phi (golden mean) is the Phirst Phractal (certainly the recursivity is there in the algebra). Kirby Urner ндсжег воss -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-29 Thread kirby urner
On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: The ability to brute force these data points with a self-feedback circuit governed by various expressions, is for computers and computers only.  Humans by themselves aren't even in the game.  At the very least you'll

Re: [Edu-sig] Beautiful sample programs?

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
to mind (ronresch.com). Kirby Urner 4dsolutions.net On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Helene Martin lognatu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, As some of you know, I teach high school classes in Seattle.  Students have been loving Python so far!  They've been able to dive right in and get some interesting

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
2009/9/28 Brian Blais bbl...@bryant.edu: trim Just a month ago, a friend of mine who homeschools her children was asking me about graphing calculators.  Apparently the math curriculum she uses has a number of graphic calculator exercises.  My advice was to buy a nice solar-powered

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
trim Well, the curricula have been customized to fit what the calculator can do, with encouragement towards the more upscale models that do some graphing and CAS (fractor equations, solve integrals...).  A lot of what passes for math in this day and age is just a glorified calculator, your

[Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
instead of the floating type, converting to float just to make your turtle happy: # File: tdemo_chaos.py # Author: Gregor Lingl # amended to use Decimal by Kirby Urner 2009-09-28 # Date: 2009-06-24 # A demonstration of chaos from turtle import * from decimal import Decimal k = Decimal('3.9') N

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb: Hi Brian, This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009, 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few). Note:  if this level of chaos / noise bothers you (the functions

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-28 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:03 PM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb: Hi Brian, This ran perfectly on Python 3.1rc1 (r31rc1:73069, May 31 2009, 08:57:10) on my WinXP box (one of a few

Re: [Edu-sig] thought re graphing calculators ...

2009-09-27 Thread kirby urner
2009/9/27 Charles Cossé cco...@gmail.com: Hi, this has probably been discussed to death already, but maybe not: The point at which fancy graphing calculators become necessary (ie as in one's student career) is the point at which the calculator should be abandoned and Python employed.  Just a

[Edu-sig] multiple inheritance and __mro__

2009-09-23 Thread kirby urner
Here's a lesson plan working directly in the shell, though it'd be fine to call this up as pre-saved scaffolding. Sometimes you just wanna project and type live while talking, students following along, asking questions, or watching on ShowMeDo or one of those. class Reptile: def

Re: [Edu-sig] Resources for Python teachers... (spanish language etc.)

2009-09-22 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Andre Roberge andre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: snip Not mine either... True enough, although there's a wiki sandbox where just about anything goes, including the diversity list airing some dirty laundry.

[Edu-sig] Resources for Python teachers... (spanish language etc.)

2009-09-20 Thread kirby urner
languages may not be a priority, not my call. I've sent word of the Litvins text to Palestine where elite schools might start using it, we shall see. A goal is to not recapitulate the mistakes of USA-based computer science curricula which tend to be ethnocentric in unfortunate ways. Kirby Urner

[Edu-sig] Django thread from Diversity list

2009-09-16 Thread kirby urner
one. Some of you will have already seen the below as we have some cross-enrollment. Kirby -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:06 PM Subject: Diversity Report from DjangoCon To: divers...@python.org report type=diversity

Re: [Edu-sig] VPython with Ubuntu 9.04

2009-09-13 Thread kirby urner
snip You know, I'm having trouble reconstructing how I came to the view that Ruby has quasi-native access to OpenGL.  I think it was a few OSCONs back when I was intent on immersing myself in Ruby, went to a couple tutorials, the talk by Matz.  My recollection is sitting there in an

[Edu-sig] VPython with Ubuntu 9.04

2009-09-12 Thread kirby urner
this evening. Kirby Urner @thekirbster @ It's a Beautiful Pizza Lindsey Walker Show myspace.com/4dstudios http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2009/09/4d-studios.html ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] notes from django con

2009-09-10 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:26 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: snip Anyway, it's all way cool and math related. GIS is all about polygons. If you're a math teacher looking for applications, here they are. But then a school needs strong IT to move into these areas. Who on

[Edu-sig] notes from django con

2009-09-09 Thread kirby urner
Some of you may have been peeking at my blogs, where I'm packing in details re DjangoCon, ongoing in Portland. I'm getting a lot of validation for this idea of bringing GIS / GPS closer to the core curriculum (talking high school servers) with all these local data sources about real world

Re: [Edu-sig] generic open source projects...

2009-09-05 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 3:25 AM, Laura Creightonl...@openend.se wrote: What I need to find out before going too far with this is: (a) do we already have exactly what I'm seeking as a public project? Not that I know of.  And given that after 'I want to make a game' this is the number 1 thing

Re: [Edu-sig] A request for Kirby

2009-09-05 Thread kirby urner
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Andre Roberge andre.robe...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Kirby, Many times on this list and elsewhere ( http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2006/08/python-pedagogy.html and http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2006/09/lunch-on-hawthorne.html) you have written about Python's

[Edu-sig] generic open source projects...

2009-09-04 Thread kirby urner
As poet Gene Fowler used to remind me occasionally, sometimes you *do* want to reinvent the wheel, because that's a learning experience. As we climb the ladder of learning (old metaphor), we sometimes cut our teeth on time-tested exercises. Textbooks have set the standard in the pre-millenium,

[Edu-sig] more casino math

2009-09-04 Thread kirby urner
By Kirby Urner, 4Dsolutions.net for Oregon Curriculum Network (copyleft) 2009 casino_math was originally developed as part of a pilot project for gnu math teachers in the Greater Portland area Bug reports: kirby.ur...@gmail.com Code repository: 4dsolutions.net/ocn/python import random

[Edu-sig] casino math (unit three)

2009-08-31 Thread kirby urner
This might be from a 3rd hour in our casino math segment. There's no deep math here, just getting familiar with dot notation, methods disguised as attributes (properties): import random class Deck: def __init__(self): self.deck = [ (suit + str(rank))

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-30 Thread kirby urner
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Edward Cherlinecher...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I am working on how to teach CS ideas in third grade using tools such as Etoys Smalltalk, UCBLogo, and Turtle Art, all of which are packaged in Sugar for the OLPC XO and other Linuces. Etoys and UCBLogo are

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-30 Thread kirby urner
. http://earthtreasury.org/ Kirby Urner ндсжег воss ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

[Edu-sig] pythonic andragogy...

2009-08-29 Thread kirby urner
):         self.me = name kirby_snake = Snake(Kirby Urner) kirby_snake.me 'Kirby Urner' 2 ** 1

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-28 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Helene Martinlognatu...@gmail.com wrote: Our user group PPUG has kept bringing up Sage (the free Python product) and the Sage community as one to get work with.  But our ranks include mostly family guys or up and coming private sector, precious few in the

[Edu-sig] PyNomo etc.

2009-08-28 Thread kirby urner
Here's a link from MPG @ math-teach / Math Forum re a PyNomo http://myreckonings.com/wordpress/2009/07/31/creating-nomograms-with-the-pynomo-software/ I'm studying the docs and seeing a student would be picking up a lot of LaTex, skills related to publishing formally in mathematical journals

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-28 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Jeff Rushj...@taupro.com wrote: Lloyd Hugh Allen wrote: I'm a math teacher who uses python for personal purposes, but the cs teacher in my building told me that the higher level cs ab ap was axed for this year - that could contribute to lower enrollment.

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-27 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Jeff Rushj...@taupro.com wrote: wesley chun wrote: AP CS Courses (and Students) on the Decline, CSTA Survey Finds This spring, the 2009 CSTA National Secondary Computer Science Survey collected responses from some 1,100 high school Computer Science teachers.

Re: [Edu-sig] Significant drop in CS interest in high schools

2009-08-27 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Helene Martinlognatu...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think members of the K-12 CS education community were entirely comfortable with the way the article you quote interpreted the research or even the research itself.  For example, the survey is of self-identified

Re: [Edu-sig] some notes...((partly) OT)

2009-08-25 Thread kirby urner
, invite 10 other people, call it a circle. :) Kirby On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Gregor Lingl gregor.li...@aon.at wrote: kirby urner schrieb: Been sharing some Python lore with Wittgenstein fans (obscure, esoteric philosopher of 1900s vintage). Hi Kirby, again, as someone

Re: [Edu-sig] python lessons | piano lessons: learning to keyboard

2009-08-22 Thread kirby urner
I'm thinking more could be made of this piano teacher business as what's needed are cultural templates (design patterns) that're already debugged, plus register as familiar. People have this picture of the geek squad or geek troubleshooter coming to your house to clean off the viruses, give a few

[Edu-sig] the kind of thing we might see at Pycon...

2009-08-21 Thread kirby urner
From the diversity list, just passing it on: http://micheinnz.livejournal.com/1080735.html Python features in this science experiment. Kirby ___ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

Re: [Edu-sig] [Diversity] Fwd: Okay, here's the deal.

2009-08-20 Thread kirby urner
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Michael Sparksspark...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/20 kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com: .. There's also the new title Python Programming in Context which is of direct interest to educators. http://www.flickr.com/photos/17157...@n00/3800868585/ flagWealthy

[Edu-sig] Fwd: [Diversity] Okay, here's the deal.

2009-08-19 Thread kirby urner
). -- Forwarded message -- From: kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Diversity] Okay, here's the deal. To: divers...@python.org On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Rami Chowdhuryrami.chowdh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, I'd just like

Re: [Edu-sig] Fwd: [Diversity] Okay, here's the deal.

2009-08-19 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Andre Robergeandre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:28 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: Here's something I posted recently to the new diversity list (check list of lists), thought I'd better run it by here as I don't think Andre

Re: [Edu-sig] Fwd: [Diversity] Okay, here's the deal.

2009-08-19 Thread kirby urner
كيربي Urner 's CP4E الموارد البرمجة بيثون دمج مواضيع في الرياضيات. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:03 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Andre Robergeandre.robe...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:28 PM, kirby urnerkirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote:

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