[Elecraft] Semi OT: vertical wire antennas

2010-12-20 Thread Edward R. Cole
Lew, I use a 43 foot high inverted-L on 500-KHz. The top hat is 130-foot long. I have three parallel vertical wires and two horizontal wires (tied together at base top and end). I get a working bandwidth of about 495-502 KHz with this extremely short antenna (4.6% of a quarter wavelength).

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Editor on 64 bit Dell

2010-12-20 Thread radiori
Thanks Dick - I have it all working now. I had not unzipped the program correctly. - Brian, K1NW -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Memory-Editor-on-64-bit-Dell-tp5840273p5850715.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __

Re: [Elecraft] Semi OT: vertical wire antennas

2010-12-20 Thread Phil & Debbie Salas
Lots of good advice has been given here. The SWR-related coax losses on 60-10 meters will be negligable with decent coax (I use 1/2" Heliax, but LMR-400 is almost as good), especially with your short run. I use my K3 internal tuner for these bands. For 160- and 80-meters, I have a remote-swi

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects

2010-12-20 Thread W2bpi1
A couple years ago I was having some physical problems and had mentioned I did a lot of soldering. I was immediately sent for lead poisoning test. Turned out I was being poisoned by one of my medications, not solder. Geo/W2BPI __ E

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects

2010-12-20 Thread k2qi . nyc
Toxins are a good point raised, and I on more than one occasion have felt the effects of lead poisoning as you've described. I do not have ventilator hood either, but now try to work with the window open and have small desktop fan which attempts to blow most of the fumes and smoke out of that wi

Re: [Elecraft] Solved: CM500 mic keeps cutting out midsentence

2010-12-20 Thread Gary Gregory
Use your EQ more, no need for external audio gear here. To make your voice sound more 'round'...peak your low freq settings. Again, keep playing with the EQ settings and you should get the desired audio. 73's Gary On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Jeff Hall (W6UX) wrote: > Thanks to everyone

Re: [Elecraft] Semi OT: vertical wire antennas

2010-12-20 Thread Bob Naumann
I can heartily recommend the AD5X 43' remote-switched matching system. I use one with my Zero Five 43' vertical and it works remarkably well on 160 through 10m. Look for my callsign in the ZL8X online lookup - I worked them on CW on all bands 160 through 10m and a few on SSB and RTTY too with only

Re: [Elecraft] P3 # 817 gets a new front panel

2010-12-20 Thread Bill Hammond
Rich, Your the first person to comment. I'm guessing it was a small batch that was off the mark...800-850...funny there are not others commenting. 73, Bill On Dec 19, 2010, at 5:18 PM, K3RWN wrote: > I concur with all. #836 was mated with its new panel last night. > > Rich > > > Bill Ham

[Elecraft] XG 2 Sold Pending payment

2010-12-20 Thread Alan Price
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Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects

2010-12-20 Thread Milt, N5IA
James, I am sure you are in violation of one or more state and federal laws. Obviously you are polluting the neighborhood at large and the world as a whole:-) :-) Now you have incriminated yourself. Oh well. 73, and Merry Christmas to all. Milt, N5IA > Toxins are a good point

Re: [Elecraft] Semi OT: vertical wire antennas

2010-12-20 Thread Wes Stewart
If you have the kind of dirt I have here in the Sonoran Desert, I contend that the worst horizontal wire you can put up will be better than the best 43' vertical you can use. As long as we're using anecdotal evidence, check my call in the ZL8X log. I missed them on 10-meter RTTY. Except for 2

[Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread ARDUJENSKI
Going from loop to vertical involves two very different lob patterns. It was never mentioned if the antenna performance was to favor local or DX. Here is one which it does not matter as it adapts for both. A nice compromise antenna which takes into account: ---high and low angle lobe patterns

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects

2010-12-20 Thread Samuel Strongin
Dam I should be dead by now from lead poisoning .!! Sam Strongin kf4yox -Original Message- From: Milt, N5IA Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: k2qi@gmail.com ; Ron D'Eau Claire ; elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] So

[Elecraft] stealth antt.

2010-12-20 Thread tony rowland
live in an apt on ground floor. looking for a stealth ant. see that  elecraft has a small ant. package for sale. Just getting started. no 100 foot towers. 90 foot wires ect. he said with tongue firmly planted to cheek     73s tony Rowland                             ___

Re: [Elecraft] stealth antt.

2010-12-20 Thread JAMES ROGERS
Tony, The Elecraft antenna tuners do a really fine job for stealth antennas. I live in a garden home and have an antenna farm that is completely in my attic. I use a simple long wire on 80/40 that works well. It is 54' in total length, the ends are bent down 11' to the attic floor

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects [End of Thread]

2010-12-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Fun thread, but time to put it to bed. :-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft List Moderator On 12/20/2010 7:12 AM, Milt, N5IA wrote: > James, > > I am sure you are in violation of one or more state and federal laws. > Obviously you are polluting the neighborhood at large and the world as a > whole!!!

[Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Roy Morris
This is interesting. From this statement it appears the KPA-500 will not be in the circuit until the K3 power level is at 12 or greater watts. Is this correct? Thanks, Roy Morris W4WFB Presumably 12 watts is fine with the K3 since that's where the KPA500 switches in! Ron AC7AC ___

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Typo. He meant 'KPA3'.. :-) 73, Eric === On 12/20/2010 8:35 AM, Roy Morris wrote: > This is interesting. From this statement it appears the KPA-500 will not be > in the circuit until the K3 power level is at 12 or greater watts. Is this > correct? Thanks, Roy Morris W4WFB > > Presumably 12

Re: [Elecraft] stealth ant

2010-12-20 Thread roncasa
- Original Message - live in an apt on ground floor. looking for a stealth ant. see that elecraft has a small ant. package for sale. Just getting started. no 100 foot towers. 90 foot wires etc. he said with tongue firmly planted to cheek REPLY: QST had some neat write-ups in their recen

[Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Robert M. Klein
All of this talk about the KPA-500 has gotten me fired up about it again. Well, we have waited patiently, but no news on when it will be available for sale or when pre-orders will be accepted. An update, please? The natives are getting restless. Robert KY1RK _

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Phil Townsend
Me too. I got some cheap Yankee dollars that are getting nervous... And they are either gonna buy some more gold or a KPA 500. (I would vote for a KPA) Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2010, at 10:20 AM, "Robert M. Klein" wrote: > All of this talk about the KPA-500 has gotten me fired up about it

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
(For the record, I am also addressing some off-reflector extensions of this thread with a single post.) We are still talking about an end-fed antenna for 80-10 which presents unique problems. Trimming the horizontal length of up 30, out 30 for a good match will help a lot. But that will not addr

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Vic K2VCO
Your post is a little elliptical, but am I to understand that you are saying that there are resonant effects noted with in-ground radials when the wire is insulated, but not when it's bare? If that's true it's interesting and I hadn't heard it before. Most writers on the subject simply say t

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
No. As I sent in my correction: "Whups, I meant that's where the KPA3 switches in. Ron AC7AC" Just had KPA500 on the mind ;-) Ron -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Roy Morris Sent: Monday, December 20, 20

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's why I prefer an end-fed dipole to a Marconi antenna, even if I have to get creative to get wire up and in the clear. The advantage is that the high impedance feed point at the end means very little current flows, so very little current need flow into the "ground" connection. Very little cu

Re: [Elecraft] MCU Load Failure

2010-12-20 Thread Dick Dievendorff
The current K3 Utility has a big Troubleshooting MCU Load page in K3 Utility Help Let me know if that doesn't get you going, Ken... 73 de Dick, K6KR On Dec 19, 2010, at 17:17, "Ken Widelitz" wrote: > I made a mistake and tried to upload the newest MCU prior to uploading the > uploader update.

[Elecraft] Soldering Naked

2010-12-20 Thread Michael E. Califf,Sr.
For those who might be interested. I found a small little project to build in "Instructables.com" called a "Fume Extractor" which fits in an Altoids Tin,(what else), It involves a small computer fan,a piece of carbon fiber filter from a fish tank filter, a switch, 2, 9v batteries,connectors for

Re: [Elecraft] Data A filter questions

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Wes, > Here is a clue for the guys I hope start looking into this. I cannot > toggle filter modes in CW either *if PB CTRL is set to .01, but can > toggle if PB CTRL is set to .05.* That is correct operation. If PB CTRL = .01, HI/LO is disabled. You will find that information in the firmware

Re: [Elecraft] Use of DB9 Switch with K3?

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
I unplug the microHAM RS-232 cable and connect a standard cable from COM1 (the serial port on the motherboard) of my test system when I need to upload firmware. However, I know of several others who are using a serial A/B switch without problems. For safety reasons make sure the switch is a brea

Re: [Elecraft] Use of DB9 Switch with K3?

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> When I need to load software or do any adjustments with K3-EZ or the > Utilities, I switch to the "real" comp port. When I operate, I switch > to the MicroHam. There is no need to switch cables to use K3-EZ. Configure K3-EZ to use the "2nd CAT" port in microHAM Router. 73, ... Joe, W4TV

Re: [Elecraft] Use of DB9 Switch with K3?

2010-12-20 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
> Does this mean that I can use K3-EX CONCURRENTLY with N1MM via Router > on a separate com port, Joe? I haven't tried it with N1MM Logger but it certainly works with DXLab Suite with Commander actively polling. > But it STILL means I must retain my other com port for software > updates, as it i

Re: [Elecraft] k-3 kit info

2010-12-20 Thread The Smiths
It's a screw together kit.. you don't have to even heat the soldering iron. If you have a small philips screw driver, a pair of needle nose pliers, 2 hands (that don't shake too much) and eyes that can see relatively small things, I would say you're ready to go. > Date: Thu, 16 Dec 201

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread k6rb
Another antenna for top band that's worth considering is a Double L (Don Toman, K2KQ) www.yccc.org/Articles/double_l.htm . It is essentially a vertical dipole with the ends bent parallel to the ground and in the same vertical plane. So, if you have, say, a 70 foot or higher tower, you can raise th

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
On the Inverted-L off topic, is there anything to be gained, or lost for that matter, by having more than one of the horizontal portion of the antenna? 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/list

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Ron misspoke. He meant the KPA3, not the KPA 500 Dick On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:35, "Roy Morris" wrote: > This is interesting. From this statement it appears the KPA-500 will not be > in the circuit until the K3 power level is at 12 or greater watts. Is this > correct? Thanks, Roy Morris W

[Elecraft] Soldering Naked

2010-12-20 Thread Michael E. Califf,Sr.
Sorry!! sent the wrong info in last message. The "fume Extractor was not in Instructables.com but the article appeared in a video on Youtubes.com just go to youtubes.com and in search type mini fume extractor. which appeared in Make Magazine article and is in this video. Sorry, really thought I

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Dick, my research would say probably not.  The exception would be if your lot is such that you could run more than one shorter wire and can't run a single one.  Also you might be able to make a capacity hat with the top guys broken by insulators and not need another support.  The antenna would

[Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Frank MacDonell
I own a K3/10 with ATU and would like to upgrade power. The question is do I go with the 100w PA option or wait for the KPA500. Any and all comments are most welcome. Thanks in advance and Merry Christmas to all. -- Frank KD8FIP __ Elecr

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
If the horizontal wires run parallel to each other, it will start to look like the old LF antennas Hams used before we moved into the "short waves". They typically had a number of horizontal wires running parallel held apart by spacers and erected as high as possible. Those were really top-loaded

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Elliptical? I suppose so. But simply stating the facts seems to have little effect and just gets bashed, where wading through the issues, however elliptical, seems to give the nay-sayers some pause, and have some effect. Radials, even in 2010, 80 years after the last definitive research, are sti

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Here's a quick example from EZNEC: A 33 ft vertical wire on 3.5 MHz will show an impedance of about 7-j384 ohms. That's a typical "Marconi" antenna. Add one 33 foot horizontal wire at the top to make an Inverted L and the impedance jumps to 18-j23 ohms. Note that while the resistive component as

[Elecraft] test

2010-12-20 Thread Paul VanOveren
Blankthis is a test only. NF8J Paul VanOveren 5911 Snow Ave. Alto, Mi 616-868-7149 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Frank, If you think you want 500 watts out, you will have to install the KPA3 (100 watts) anyway. The K3/10 will not be able to drive the KPA500 to full output - you may be able to get somewhere betwen 200 and 300 watts out of it. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/20/2010 1:39 PM, Frank MacDonell wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] stealth antt.

2010-12-20 Thread Mel Farrer
Yes, to what James said and I might add that use of the perimeter eves or balcony is a good choice as is one of the Budipole antennas on a tripod that you can take in and out of the house. Put in a good ground rod and away you go. It is amazing how well and inventive the manpack and QRP grou

[Elecraft] 10 Meter FM "Channels" Set Up

2010-12-20 Thread AA6RK
Naked or clothed what is the easiest procedure to follow when programming these channels in the K3 "0-99" memory. I am having difficulty keeping the split in memory. Thanks and Happy Holidays! Bob... __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread able2fly
Why wouldn't Elecraft design the KPA500 to be driven to its rated output by a K3/10 ? Bill K3UJ -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts Frank, If you think you want 500 watts out, you will have to install the KPA3 100 watts) anyway

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bill, It is not an Elecraft choice. While you could do that as an individual, commercial products (sold in the US) must meet the FCC requirement of a 15 dB maximum gain That limits the maximum power gain to a factor of 31.62 - 10 watts in gives 316.2 watts (at the most) output. 73, Don W3F

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Rick Dettinger
But going directly from the K3/10 to the KPA500 might be a good way for those unhappy with the SSB transmit quality of the KPA3 to get a very clean signal since the KPA500 uses 70 volt devices for the final amplifiers. Plus a 3 db. gain over the KPA3. At a cost, of course. 73, Rick Detting

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Rick Dettinger
Not legal in the United States. 15 db gain is the max allowed. The hams get punished for the illegal activity of others. 73, Rick Dettinger K7MW > > Why wouldn't Elecraft design the KPA500 to be driven to its rated > output by a K3/10 ? > > Bill K3UJ > > > > > > Please help support this

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread ab2tc
Hi, Not so sure. That would require the 12W (pre)amp in the K3 to run full tilt. I seem to remember from the QST review of the K3/10 that it wasn't super clean at full power either. It's well known that both these amps get significantly cleaner when run at 50% or less which is what they would do

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Toxic Effects

2010-12-20 Thread Terry Schieler
K2QI wrote: " but now try to work with the window open and > have small desktop fan which attempts to blow most of the fumes and > smoke out of that window." VERY interesting. Is there a chance this approach might finally quiet my neighbor's DOG? Terry, W0FM -Original Message- From

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Dale Parfitt
Hi Don, I use my SPE Expert 1K-FA with my barefoot K3. I get around 900Wout on HF and about 500W on 6M. It's a great combination as the K3 talks to the SPE and everything is transparent including the SPE's built in autotuner. The SPE display reports over 18dB gain. It has been type accepted and

[Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Mark Kachel
I read somewhere that the devices in the amp were good for 20+ db of gain. I think there will be an attenuator pad in the amp that can be bypassed for more than 15 db gain. Mark, NØOKS K3 / 10 kit __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://m

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dale, I am not going to question the legality of the 18 dB gain you are getting on that SPE nor what the SPE documents filed with the FCC say about the maximum gain - Mu understanding is only that the FCC says 15 dB is the maximum, and I expect Elecraft will comply with that. What other com

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mark, Individual hams can modify their *own* equipment, and we can build our own equipment too. It still must meet the signal purity and maximum power output requirements of the FCC, but as far as I know that is about all - oh yes, I believe it should be of good (or is it sound) engineering

Re: [Elecraft] 100 Watts or 500 Watts

2010-12-20 Thread Byron Servies
>From my copy of the ARRL FCC Rules and Regulations for the Amateur Radio Service, parts 97 and 47 of the Cod of Federal Regulations, 2007: 97.317 Standards for certification of external RF power amplifiers (a) To receive a grant of certification, the amplifier must: (2) Not be capable of amplify

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Guy, I know it is not equal to your statements, but in my mind you are making a good case for the use of elevated (and tuned) radials. L B Cebik recommended them to me at FDIM several years ago over in-ground radials and I have never done the work of burying the radials, so I have no compar

[Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
Almost 30 years ago now, before I was 99.% a QRPer, I had an Alpha 76CA (3 tubes).  It had a giant swamping pad on the input (I still have it - the swamping pad, that is).  Just take it out and like magic, you could drive the amp with QRP.  My intention was never to exceed legal limit, just to

[Elecraft] BEEP

2010-12-20 Thread Richard Thorpe
I was sitting at the operating position earlier today and kept hearing a "beep" about every 4 to 5 mins coming from the K3. I run the K3 off a car battery charged by solar cells, lately there has been no sun. I checked that the battery and the voltage is at 10.4 volts. Is the beep a "low volta

Re: [Elecraft] BEEP

2010-12-20 Thread Wayne Burdick
Yes, your battery voltage is at the warning threshold. You can change the threshold in the CONFIG:BAT MIN menu entry, but I recommend keeping at 11.0 V. The K3 is still usable down to as low as about 9.5 or 10 V, although max power output will be scaled back. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 20, 2010,

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Scott Ellington
It's very unlikely any solid-state amplifier uses an input attenuator: Transistors and FET's just don't have that much gain. Grid-driven tube amplifiers may indeed have enough gain (without the input pad), but there are a couple potential problems. Without the input pad, the amplifier may not

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Vic K2VCO
Well... keep in mind that an input attenuator also reduces the SWR seen by the exciter. Even a relatively small 3 dB pad means that the SWR can't go above 3:1 even if the input impedance of the amplifier was zero or infinite! On 12/20/2010 2:09 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > Almost 30 years ago

Re: [Elecraft] 10 Meter FM "Channels" Set Up

2010-12-20 Thread Mike
Put on some shorts and navigate to http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm for the K3 memory editor. :-P 73, Mike NF4L On 12/20/2010 3:02 PM, aa...@aol.com wrote: > Naked or clothed what is the easiest procedure to follow when programming > these channels in the K3 "0-99" memory. I am having diff

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Don's comments reminded me of an article I read a while back about elevated radials used by commercial AM broadcast stations that may be of interest: http://www.scribd.com/doc/34884702/New-AM-Broadcast-Antenna-Designs-Having-F ield-Validated-Performance-by-Clarence-M-Beverage Yes, the author's na

[Elecraft] [OT] WTB: Low Band DXing

2010-12-20 Thread Randy Moore
Any body have a serviceable copy of said book they'd like to sell? Please contact off list. 73, Randy, KS4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: ma

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] WTB: Low Band DXing

2010-12-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
http://www.elecraft.com/books/books.htm :-) 73, Eric www.elecraft.com On 12/20/2010 3:01 PM, Randy Moore wrote: > Anybody have a serviceable copy of said book they'd like to sell? Please > contact off list. > > 73, > Randy, KS4L _

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Steve Ellington
Guy: Very interesting Some of your comments were verified in a recent QST article. Mar 2010 - QST (Pg. 30) An Experimental Look at Ground Systems for HF Verticals The author experimented with resonant vs nonresonant radials on the ground and found performance improved when the radials were

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Phil Kane
On 12/20/2010 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > There are good reports of elevated radials, although some measurements > by Tom Rauch W8JI indicated some disagreement, but for my situation it > is the best solution despite any controversy. Elevated radials are great until the metal thieves get arou

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] WTB: Low Band DXing

2010-12-20 Thread Kok Chen
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12/203:36 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > http://www.elecraft.com/books/books.htm Is Elecraft still shipping the Second Edition of the ARRL HF Digital Handbook whose cover is on that page? The 4th Edition has been out since 2007! 73 Chen, W7AY ___

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Mel Farrer
It is a matter of loss or lack of it. If you look at the takeoff patterns of a vertical antenna on a perfect ground and then with increasing loss, the pattern is modified to have increasing less energy on the horizon. However, this is the loss factor, not necessarily due to lack of resonance.

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Kok Chen
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12/203:44 PM, Steve Ellington wrote: > Some of your comments were verified in a recent QST article. > > Mar 2010 - QST (Pg. 30) A more complete version of Rudy's study are in 6 parts in the 2009 issues of QEX. "Experimental Determination of Ground System Performance fo

Re: [Elecraft] Soldering Naked - Eyes

2010-12-20 Thread VR2BrettGraham
Outgassing is a good reason to wear eye protection when soldering larger diameter holes on a PCB, where there can be more solder & the space for a bigger bubble to form that expands when heated & can discharge the solder like a molten round. Happened to me at work once, assembling terminals tha

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's my experience too. Your Inverted L has a much, much higher impedance than any Marconi antenna on any band where it's 1/2 wave or longer. That makes the efficiency far less dependent upon the ground and the effect of the ground much less. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Now here's th

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's my experience too. Your Inverted L has a much, much higher impedance than any Marconi antenna on any band where it's 1/2 wave or longer. That makes the efficiency far less dependent upon the ground and the effect of the ground much less. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Now here's th

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Mel, I personally would not consider elevated radials that are non-resonant - but then all of my antennas are resonant. I could consider something "balanced", like a 43 foot vertical having 43 foot elevated radials and being fed with parallel feedline to the location of the tuner. I would e

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Fred Jensen
On 12/20/2010 2:09 PM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > Almost 30 years ago now, before I was 99.% a QRPer, I had an Alpha > 76CA (3 tubes). It had a giant swamping pad on the input (I still > have it - the swamping pad, that is). Just take it out and like > magic, you could drive the amp with QRP.

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread David Gilbert
"I personally would not consider elevated radials that are non-resonant" I guess I'm having a difficult time with that comment. You can have a resonant system without the elevated radials themselves being "resonant" ... i.e, any two of them acting like a resonant dipole. If the elevated ra

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred and all, That is something to be heeded. The Elecraft example is that the K2 key-clicks were not a problem until the KPA100 was introduced. The added gain of the KPA100 caused that problem to be amplified (along with the signal). Elecraft responded with the Keying Waveshape Mod kit w

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dave, If you read the radial tuning procedure in Low-Band DXing, you will find that it "all comes out in the wash". Yes, your statements are correct, and in fact that is how I did mine. Although I did not resonate my vertical monopole against any ground plane - I simply cut the lengths to

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Phil & Debbie Salas
"It's very unlikely any solid-state amplifier uses an input attenuator: Transistors and FET's just don't have that much gain." The Ameritron ALS-600 has about a 15 ohm input impedance. Then they put a series 35 ohm resistor for matching and reducing gain. Phil - AD5X _

Re: [Elecraft] [OT] WTB: Low Band DXing

2010-12-20 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We always ship the latest version. I'll update the picture :-) e On 12/20/2010 3:50 PM, Kok Chen wrote: > On Dec 20, 2010, at 12/203:36 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > wrote: > >> http://www.elecraft.com/books/books.htm > Is Elecraft still shipping the Second Edition of the ARRL HF Digi

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil, Your statement amplifies the difference between "ham assumptions" and reality. The data-sheet indications of gain do not consider the input impedance (and loading of the driver), that parameter is quite important in actual use -- if the amplifier does not provide a good load to the driv

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Buried BARE radials of sufficient number will show far less "tuned" behavior and self-terminate more rapidly. BURIED bare wire radials and ON THE GROUND bare radials measure quite differently. This too is something you can verify by experimenting with a bare wire DOG on top of the ground vs an en

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Tony Estep
For those who wish to pursue the radials question further, here's one of the many publications on the subject. This one is replete with numerous tables and graphical representations of the incremental value of more and longer radials in various types of soil: http://www.ncjweb.com/k3lcmaxgainradia

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
15 ohms miscellaneous in series with 32 ohm radiation resistance, only 3%? Don't you mean 30%? What were the lengths of the elevated radials and how many? 73, Guy. On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >  Dave, > > If you read the radial tuning procedure in Low-Band DXing, you wi

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Phil Kane
On 12/20/2010 4:57 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > The [in]famous B&W "all band folded dipole" capitalized on this -- big > 50 ohm load resistor = 50 ohms everywhere. I still see them around > National Guard Armories. You can see one in my back yard as well, 30 ft AGL. It's the best that I can do

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sure, but it's very easy to design a low-loss broadband matching network to provide the required impedance transformation. One HB amp of mine used a 16:1 transformer at the input for just that purpose. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Phil, Your statement amplifies the difference between

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Yes and they work VERY well for their purpose. Shoot even the much admired Rhombics using acres of space threw away half of the RF if they were terminated for unidirectional operation. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Jan Erik Holm
I hope people doesn´t learn from this statement. IMO this is as far from logic one can get. /Jim -- On 2010-12-21 02:27, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > The ground conductivity in my area is not the greatest, so I have > accepted the logical consequences of that fact. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > _

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Wes Stewart
I just have one question: What is grass? --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > > Many people are adopting a construction technique as > primary over > performance considerations, e.g. lay out wire and hold them > down with > lawn staples and let the grass grow up around them, holding

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread David Gilbert
I suspect that Don was referring to the fact that poor ground conductivity affected his low angle performance, and that is absolutely true. There isn't a thing he or anyone else can do to change the far field effects of poor ground. He can add lots of radials, buried or otherwise, to improv

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread David Gilbert
It's that ugly green stringy stuff some people use to hide their beautiful brown dirt so that nobody tries to steal it. Dave, AB7E QTH not far from N7WS On 12/20/2010 10:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I just have one question: What is grass? > > --- On Mon, 12/20/10, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: >

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Guy, OK, I missed by a factor of 10. I am using 2 elevated radials per band, and the physical direction is such the pairs are horizontally opposed - that should reduce the radiation from the radials to zero (or nearly so). I first cut the radials 15% longer than the "formula" would indicate,

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/20/2010 5:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The Elecraft example is that the K2 > key-clicks were not a problem until the KPA100 was introduced. The > added gain of the KPA100 caused that problem to be amplified (along with > the signal). Elecraft responded with the Keying Waveshape Mod kit whic

Re: [Elecraft] Inverted-L (was OT: Vertical antenna)

2010-12-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Guy, OK, I missed by a factor of 10. I am using 2 elevated radials per band, and the physical direction is such the pairs are horizontally opposed - that should reduce the radiation from the radials to zero (or nearly so). I first cut the radials 15% longer than the "formula" would indicate,

Re: [Elecraft] OT: modifying your amp for lower drive requirement

2010-12-20 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/20/2010 5:28 PM, Phil & Debbie Salas wrote: > "It's very unlikely any solid-state amplifier uses an input attenuator: > Transistors and FET's just don't have that much gain." > > The Ameritron ALS-600 has about a 15 ohm input impedance. Then they put a > series 35 ohm resistor for matching a