Exactly! Which is why I continue to use KN. I only use K when calling CQ.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 06:29:06 -0700
Matt Zilmer wrote:
> KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep
> up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
> is clear. I've
Many of you may fine the link attached interesting as it is the origin of our
number codes. Journalists of a certain age may also see the -30- designation
also used for some time as the end of a story. It has a long history.
http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/tele/wurules1866/92code.html
73,
True. Sometimes, you would want uninterrupted exchanges, for clarity,
but also leave the net open for breaks. In practice, we break in if
needed anyway.
Anyone listening to a directed net really hears a KN via the Over. On
Navy-Marine Corps MARS, there is no simple way to break in except for
ca
Exclusion is not always unfriendly. I have often heard net members converse
before or after a net about net matters, using KN.
73 Kate K6HTN
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep
> up on your signal during t
KN also tells a breaking station that you're in QSO. So if they creep
up on your signal during the tail end (callsign exchange), the context
is clear. I've always taken KN to mean a context marking rather than
some unfriendly indicator of exclusion. Haven't met any hams that are
like that :)
I normally don't respond to these threads on the Elecraft reflector because all
they do is create clutter, but the over use of KN brings to mind a very funny
situation I noted on 30 meters the other day. Someone (who shall remain
nameless to avoid hard feelings/embarrassment on his part) was ca
BK sent as a procedural was originally brought about by the conversion of
stations to automatic control of changeover from xmit to rx... with seperate
rx/tx and no controling assistance, it took some time to cut the high voltage
from the tx, change the antenna feed to the rx, and unmute th
> From: "Gary Gregory"
> To: "Mike Morrow"
> Cc:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
>
>
>> sounds good to me...AR
>>
>> On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow wrote:
>>
>
Anyone who needs help "remembering" the Sixties may wish to mark his or
her calendar for August 15, 16, and 17. I'll be operating as W2S in
recognition of the 42nd Anniversary of the 1969 Woodstock Festival.
Certificate will be offered for a 9x12 SASE. 7.034 and 14.034. Single
Op (just me).
interrupted whenever
is needed.
73, Igor UA9CDC
- Original Message -
From: "Gary Gregory"
To: "Mike Morrow"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
> sounds good to me...AR
>
> On 19 July 2011 13:
sounds good to me...AR
On 19 July 2011 13:04, Mike Morrow wrote:
> Bert wrote:
>
> > I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi
>
> Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ? :-)
>
> My pet peeve is use of that damned "BK". "KN" doesn't make much sense
> either...that's actually an open paren
Bert wrote:
> I've yet to hear --... ...-- ... sent - hihi
Don't you mean --... ...-- .. ... ? :-)
My pet peeve is use of that damned "BK". "KN" doesn't make much sense
either...that's actually an open parenthesis. Both are just ham-only
prosigns that would never have been heard on prof
You /remember/ them?
On 7/18/2011 12:21 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I remember the '60s as a time of "anything goes" so it is fair to use your
> apostrophes
> in any way your creative mind can dream up.
--
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
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From: "Nate Bargmann"
To:
Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 21:25
* On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote:
> OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin
"The handl
* On 2011 18 Jul 18:05 -0500, Gary Gregory wrote:
> OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin
"The handle here is loose..."
And FP sounds a little...too...personal for my taste.
73, de Nate N0NB >>
--
"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds. The
quot;
-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
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From: "iain macdonnell - N6ML"
To: "Bert Craig"
Cc: , "Elecraft"
Subject: [Elecraft] 'Q' signal trivia
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2011 20
quot;QRT and standing by" to be heard. It's encouraging but I do hear the dark
> side of the force from time to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear
> some CW traffic there too, go figure.
>
> As always, take care es...
>
> Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle&q
me to time as well. Heck, I've even started to hear some CW
traffic there too, go figure.
As always, take care es...
Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
WA2SI
"...and all the pieces matter."
-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
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On 7/18/2011 1:19 PM, Wayne Conrad wrote:
> "73's" appears to go back farther than that:
>
> http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm
I wonder whether the "Walter Howell" in the first card was the
same Walter Howell who was the Assistant Engineer in Charge at
the FCC New York Office in the earl
, I've even started to hear some CW
traffic there too, go figure.
As always, take care es...
Vy 73 de Bert (my "handle")
WA2SI
"...and all the pieces matter."
-- Det. Lester Freamon, BPD
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smart
Pray tell, why must we do "better"?? And what on earth is "better"
about it??What was "right" for formal message handling doesn't mean
diddly for social, casual conversation. Getting all rigid and anal
about a friendly signoff just makes our hobby look silly, old, and
intolerant.
Dave
OMGmy Handlenow that get(s) up my nose.Grin
73
Gary
On 19 July 2011 08:49, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote:
>
> > However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in
> > recent times.
>
> Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in t
On 7/18/2011 9:29 AM, Mark wrote:
> "An apostrophe is also used to form some *plurals*, especially
> the plural of letters and digits. Raoul got four _A's_ last term
> and his sister got four 6's in the ice-skating competition. "
> Of course, the Chicago Manual of Style disagrees... :-)
As doe
On 7/18/2011 2:24 PM, Greg - N4CC wrote:
> However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in
> recent times.
Common practice doesn't make it right. It started in the CB
world, where it "morphed" into "Threes and Eights" for "73 and
88". Sometimes I even hear "my first personal
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this...
73 means "best regards" and is sufficient without an "s".
If you say "73s", it is like saying, "best regards's".
However, I admit that it has become rather common practice in recent times.
73, Greg-N4CC
Msg sent via CableONE.net MyMail - http:/
Bruce, note that T.O.M. hand wrote "73's" on his cards.
Newbie? T.O.M. was T.O.M. when still in diapers! The radiomen of his time
had an almost clean slate on which to scribe their rules.
You are quite right. We go with what we are taught, and language, perhaps
more than anything else, evolves
OK, Before Wayne slams the door on this one...
The Old Man was a newbie once, too. (and he may very well not have printed
or designed the cards he used). They may well have been a generic design.
Another historical perspective that goes back 60 years before those old QSL
cards can be found here:
It seems that 73's predates any of us by quite a bit, but complaining about it
just dates back to the start of Internet reflectors.
Willis 'Cookie' Cooke
K5EWJ & Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart
--- On Mon, 7/18/11, Wayne Conrad wrote:
From: Wayne Conrad
Subject
"73's" appears to go back farther than that:
http://www.mikezulu.com/73s.htm
See esp. the QSL cards at the bottom, signed by the old man himself.
73s, Wayne Conrad KF7QGA
On 07/18/11 13:01, n...@n5ge.com wrote:
>
> I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer'
I'm of the opinion that it started in the early CB days when all the CBer's were
putting "Seventy Thirds" on each other when signing off or going to their next
harassment frequency. ;o)
73's or 73s, whichever it is, is still incorrect. Would you say "best
regardses" to someone?
73 is the number
I remember the '60s as a time of "anything goes" so it is fair to use your
apostrophes in any way your creative mind can dream up.
On Jul 18, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Kevin Rock wrote:
> However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe.
>Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26
My editor would have blue penciled that is a NY second :) But this is so
far off topic as to be squashed rapidly.
Kevin. KD5ONS
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:34:42 -0700, Mark wrote:
> Hi Kevin:
>
> Depends on your style guide... :-)
>
> Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says tha
Hi Kevin:
Depends on your style guide... :-)
Apparently, both usages are common. Wikipedia says that years are a
special case. :-) I don't think '60's is universally considered
incorrect - though the Chicago Manual of Style would.
73,
Mark
On 7/18/2011 12:32 PM, Kevin Rock wrote:
> Howe
However, we refer to the '60s without a second apostrophe.
Kevin. KD5ONS
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 09:29:26 -0700, Mark wrote:
> Hi Kevin:
>
> Because an " 's " is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or
> digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a
> posses
Hi Kevin:
Because an " 's " is the standard way to create a plural of a digit or
digits in English? (at least historically) :-) It doesn't indicate a
possessive in this usage.
See, for example,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/apostrophe.htm:
"An apostrophe is also used to form
I have always wondered why it is written in the possessive form. Why not
write it 73s instead if you want to make it a plural and not possessive?
Kevin. KD5ONS
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:57:43 -0700, Gary D Krause
wrote:
> I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself in
I think the reason 73's came about is that many of us, myself included, repeat
it twice at the end of a CW QSO.
Gary, N7HTS
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:46:41 -0600
"Ken - K0PP" wrote:
>
> "Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
> between stations that don't share a common
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> On 7/16/2011 6:46 PM, Ken - K0PP wrote:
>>
> In that service, "INT" [di di dah dit dah sent as one character] was
> the interrogatory, and preceded the question you were about to ask.
> [INT QRL] The Morse question mark is "di di dah dah
On 7/16/2011 6:46 PM, Ken - K0PP wrote:
>
> "Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
> between stations that don't share a common language.
>
> In usual usage a "Q" signal without punctuation is considered
> a statement. If it's followed by a "?", it's meant as a question.
In comm
"Q" signals were established to facilitate communication
between stations that don't share a common language.
In usual usage a "Q" signal without punctuation is considered
a statement. If it's followed by a "?", it's meant as a question.
Needless to say, a purist would never use a "Q"
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