Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Stewart Baker
OK, maybe the bet was a bit one sided, as most SM PSU's are made in China and THEY produce EMI not the analogue ones. How can the purchaser be responsible? They don't design and manufacture the item ! EMC rules on these PSU's are very clear. If however, the manufacturer chooses to omit vital EMI

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Brett Howard
Actually the purchaser does have the ability to decide on the importance of the EMI signature. Many of the laptop products only have to stand up to the A standard. Where as some companies have tougher requirements and require things to stand up to a higher standard. I work for a company that

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread G4ILO
VR2BrettGraham wrote: G3RXQ asked F4FNT about the Dell OEM UPS (probably meaning power supply) for his laptop that made noise G4ILO then added: Actually it was Stewart G3RXQ who asked if the PSU was made in China. I don't have anything against products made in China. Just about

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Brett Howard
It makes no RFI at all that bothers you in your situation. The only product that produces no RFI at all is the pet rock. Its all just a matter of degree. On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 02:37 -0700, G4ILO wrote: It is a very high quality product and creates no RFI at all.

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread WILLIS COOKE
You can't float the laptop power supply. The neutral pin of the plug is connected to the supply ground point as well as the ground pin. There is no ground point on a plastic lap top for the station ground. The only way to float the computer is to unplug the charger, which did work, but only

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Vic K2VCO
Brett Howard wrote: California is now outlawing the use of unregulated transformer based linear supplies in new products. Oh, great. Although as you point out it is possible to make a quiet switcher, it's also cheaper to make one that will wipe out everything for a 100-yard radius. Let

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Dave G.
The only product that produces no RFI at all is the pet rock. Even rock has a radiation signature.. BTW - If you are worried about radiation, don't do a walking tour of Edinburgh, Scotland... Granite is 'radio' active -- Dave G. KK7SS '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA Two things are infinite,

RE: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Brett Howard
: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS Brett Howard wrote: California is now outlawing the use of unregulated transformer based linear supplies in new products. Oh, great. Although as you point out it is possible to make a quiet switcher, it's also cheaper to make one that will wipe out everything

RE: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-17 Thread Brett Howard
The only product that produces no RFI at all is the pet rock. Even rock has a radiation signature.. BTW - If you are worried about radiation, don't do a walking tour of Edinburgh, Scotland... Granite is 'radio' active Noted! ;) ___ Elecraft mailing

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS [OT Direction]

2008-03-17 Thread Phil Kane
Brett Howard wrote: But yes California heard about this and was like wow if we get rid of all those passive loads from bricks that are plugged into products that are turned off we'll save all sorts of money. Can they spell hot standby? Cold starts are not good for a lot of electronics, to

[Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi Elecrafters, I am interested to know what solution can be used to avoid the noise generated by the 220 V AC (OEM) UPS of my recent Dell Latitude Laptop. For the time being, I can only use the laptop with my K2/100 if the laptop is powered by its internal battery. Raymond METZGER F4FNT

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread Stewart Baker
By any chance was the UPS manufactured in China ? 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:05:37 +0100, Raymond METZGER wrote: Hi Elecrafters, I am interested to know what solution can be used to avoid the noise generated by the 220 V AC (OEM) UPS of my recent Dell Latitude Laptop. For the

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I don't know if it applies to your situation or not Raymond, but I had a lot of hum on when I connected my 110V Lap top to my TS-850 for PSK-31. I had the charger plugged into a house circuit and my radio equipment plugged into a separate circuit for the radio station. When I moved the charger

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread Robert Tellefsen
Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Raymond METZGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 12:05 AM Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS Hi Elecrafters, I am interested to know what solution can be used to avoid the noise generated by the 220 V

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
Stewart Baker wrote: By any chance was the UPS manufactured in China ? That's not a very fair bet; almost every bit of consumer electronics is manufactured in China or has most of its components manufactured there. However, if the suggestion is the responsibility for poor EMC lies in

RE: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread Raymond METZGER
; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Objet : Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS By any chance was the UPS manufactured in China ? 73 Stewart G3RXQ On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:05:37 +0100, Raymond METZGER wrote: I am interested to know what solution can be used to avoid the noise generated by the 220 V AC (OEM) UPS

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Well I didn't plug it into my K3 with the transformer isolation because my K3 is in its gestation period and I am waiting for delivery. But, I don't think that it would have avoided the problem. I was using transformer isolation with a Rascal Interface. The hum came through the push to talk

Re: [Elecraft] [K2] : Laptop UPS

2008-03-16 Thread VR2BrettGraham
G3RXQ asked F4FNT about the Dell OEM UPS (probably meaning power supply) for his laptop that made noise G4ILO then added: By any chance was the UPS manufactured in China ? That's not a very fair bet; almost every bit of consumer electronics is manufactured in China or has most of its