Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-05 Thread Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft
Yes, but does it converge? If so, what is the asymtote? :-) And, BTW, I don't see either Fun or Thrill factored in, and I consider them significant factors. 73, Brandy, N1HO On Wednesday, July 4, 2018, 2:41:02 PM EDT, eru...@att.net wrote: A Taylor series is quite appropriate since F

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Barry
Jim Brown-10 wrote > I do a lot of RTTY contesting, but I have yet to meet anyone who can copy > RTTY with their > two ears. I guess we never met, Jim. I can copy CQ, 599, and my callsign in Baudot RTTY. Many years ago, there was a Dxpedition I was calling. There was a selective fade when h

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Carl Jón Denbow
Right on, Jim. You said it all. I don’t understand complaining about a mode you obviously have never used. As someone else said, FT8 has its positives and negatives. What I don’t like are the ops running a gallon or more. I consider QRO for the JT modes and PSK to be 100 Watts. I’ve only g

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread John_N1JM
Not my cup of tea either. 73, John N1JM (antenna limited) Barry wrote > First, I haven't read through this entire thread. > > I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY > DXCC > Honor Roll. That said, I don't get FT8 at all. Turn on your radio and > computer, come

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Licensed in 1958, through the years and even today, I operate AFSK, PSK, JT-65, FT-8, CW, SSB, and AM. Each mode has its enjoyable culture and its upside and downside. That's ham radio. If one doesn't like it.don't operate it, but don't chastise those that do. "If one doesn't have someth

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Jim Brown
First, I haven't read through this entire thread. I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY DXCC Honor Roll. That said, I don't get FT8 at all. Turn on your radio and computer, come back an hour later and see what you worked - really? NOT really. An exaggeration b

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Ken G Kopp
Well-said Barry. IMO, it's a stretch to call FT8 legitimate. But then I'm an old poop ... licensed since 1951 ... and CW all the time. 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP 73! On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 13:00 Barry wrote: > First, I haven't read through this entire thread. > > I've been a RTTY guy for a long time

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread Barry
First, I haven't read through this entire thread. I've been a RTTY guy for a long time and am in the #1 spot on the RTTY DXCC Honor Roll. That said, I don't get FT8 at all. Turn on your radio and computer, come back an hour later and see what you worked - really? I've been in an antenna limit

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-04 Thread eru...@att.net
A Taylor series is quite appropriate since FT8 was invented by Joe Taylor ;-) Russ, N3CO Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Yeah, sorry. Math joke Wayne > On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Robert Duncan wrote: > > Just in case there are

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-03 Thread Mark via Elecraft
Oh my!  I hope we aren't having a pop quiz on this tomorrow! Wayne wrote: Many of us have vanishingly little τ, and from earlier posts it’s clear that K is irrational, so I propose reordering the terms as a Taylor series. Doug wrote: My limited math abilities express then relationship as-      D

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-03 Thread Wayne Burdick
Yeah, sorry. Math joke Wayne > On Jul 3, 2018, at 7:21 PM, Robert Duncan wrote: > > Just in case there are others like me who did not know what a Taylor > Series is : > > In mathematics, a Taylor series is a representation of a function as an > infinite sum of terms > that are calc

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-03 Thread Wayne Burdick
Doug, I accept your gauntlet and will submit one final OT post despite my business partner’s attempt to shut it down. To wit: Many of us have vanishingly little τ, and from earlier posts it’s clear that K is irrational, so I propose reordering the terms as a Taylor series. Wayne N6KR > On

Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] FT8 Here's My Comparison of FT8 and Regular Modes

2018-07-03 Thread Doug Millar via Elecraft
  Hi All, I was thinking about the differences between using the digital modes on HF andKnob and Dial modes, and I came up with this comparison. Basically ft8 and digital modes take morework on the setup end and are easy to operate and "knob and dial"radios have little setup and the mo