[Elecraft] Antenna comparison between the AX1 and DL1DN-Antenna

2023-03-31 Thread Hajo Dezelski via Elecraft
Hello In the last days I made an Antenna comparison between the AX1 and a similar antenna from DL1DN (https://youtu.be/SyvAGGkEO-w) The results can be found in the German QRP-Forum (https://www.qrpforum.de/forum/index.php?thread/14503-heiligsprechung-elecraft-ax1-von-der-dummy-load-zur-guten-s

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-12 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/12/2022 3:08 PM, Ed Cole wrote: I have ends supported with nylon cord over pulleys to lower for cutting. Yes, and it's a MUST for any wire where one or both ends are rigged to a tree with one end tied to a weight to allow for tree sway in the wind. K2RD showed me how to do that without h

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-12 Thread Ed Cole
Unbelievable answers (really). If someone asked if anyone was knowledgeable about contesting or say eme, would you just answer yes or no? Or would you offer assistance to the questioner? My first ham antenna was a folded dipole for 40m. It was described in my first ARRL Handbook as there we

[Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-12 Thread Bob McGraw
42 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:58:04 -0400 From: Richard To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/11/2022 10:20 PM, Jim Brown wrote: Low dipoles are closer to 50 ohms, high dipoles are closer to 75 ohms. Low would be much less than a quarter wave, high would be much more than a quarter wave. BTW -- there are a couple of very useful graphics that help understand this at the beginning

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/11/2022 6:51 PM, Richard wrote: Jim — I just finished building a half-wave 40-meter dipole and have it nicely tuned for the middle of the SSB segment. Out of necessity, the tuning process was carried out with the antenna horizontal. Feedpoint Z of horizontal antennas is slightly affecte

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Richard Eversole
Wa Half wave On Wed, May 11, 2022, 20:09 Hank via Elecraft wrote: > I wish I knew as much about half wave dipoles as I think I do. > > Hank > K4HYJ > > > On May 11, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Edward Mccann wrote: > > > > Concur. > > > > Slack reasonable cut. > > > > No dumb questions, just dumb an

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Hank via Elecraft
I wish I knew as much about half wave dipoles as I think I do. Hank K4HYJ > On May 11, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Edward Mccann wrote: > > Concur. > > Slack reasonable cut. > > No dumb questions, just dumb answers, from time to time. > > But I’m amazed at the restraint shown by many who are avoid

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Edward Mccann
Concur. Slack reasonable cut. No dumb questions, just dumb answers, from time to time. But I’m amazed at the restraint shown by many who are avoiding the tithe of arms-appointed expert, especially when we have a passel of Big Swinging Dudes on the line. The query might have been a bit more fo

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread john
Mine is well-behaved. On 5/11/2022 1:56 PM, Richard W4KBX wrote: > Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? > > Cheers, > > Richard Kunc > W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Gwen Patton
*"On the other hand, cutting the guy some slack is ok too. This is a tough room but the only dumb question is the one you don’t ask."* I dunno... "Is the Pink Panther a lion" is up there in essential dumbitude. https://youtu.be/J0UVlPmhY0A 73, Gwen, NG3P On Wed, May 11, 2022, 10:20 PM Lou Lader

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Lou Laderman via Elecraft
On the other hand, cutting the guy some slack is ok too. This is a tough room but the only dumb question is the one you don’t ask. 73, Lou W0FK Lou Laderman Sent from my mobile device On May 11, 2022, at 9:09 PM, Edward Mccann wrote: Entirely possible this is a late April Fool’s query, or

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Edward Mccann
Entirely possible this is a late April Fool’s query, or a freshman fraternity prank designed to bring out the blowhards who will profess knowledge of most things. When and if the query is expanded to source commentary from those “super-well versed” in the behavior of the OCFD, from under the

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Andy Durbin
"Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole?" There are only two possible answers: Yes No I speculate that, given the expertise of this group, "Yes" is the right answer. However, I have no clue how the answer to your question will be useful to you. I suppose t

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2022-05-11 8:02 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 5/11/2022 1:56 PM, Richard wrote: >> Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave >> dipole? > > You do have a copy of the ARRL Handbook, don't you? Every ham should > have one, and there's a lot of tutorial material in it. Tw

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 5/11/2022 1:56 PM, Richard wrote: Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? You do have a copy of the ARRL Handbook, don't you? Every ham should have one, and there's a lot of tutorial material in it. I'd bet that every single one of those engineers who g

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Fred Jensen
They are known to radiate 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County Richard wrote on 5/11/2022 1:58 PM: Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread David Gilbert
You're a lot less likely to get an answer to that question than you would the answer to whatever question you actually want answered. Dave   AB7E On 5/11/2022 1:56 PM, Richard wrote: Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Curt Nixon
It's showing up on the reflector. Kind of leading, no win question. But I'm a suckered. Been using 1/2 wave dipoles for 60 years. What is the question? On Wed, May 11, 2022, 5:06 PM Richard wrote: > I’m trying to send this to the reflector at large, but it keeps attaching > John’s name. Sorry,

[Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Richard
I’m trying to send this to the reflector at large, but it keeps attaching John’s name. Sorry, John. This will be my third try. Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ E

[Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Richard
Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:E

[Elecraft] Antenna Quandary

2022-05-11 Thread Richard
Anybody out there super-well versed in the behavior of the half-wave dipole? Cheers, Richard Kunc W4KBX __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:E

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna and Propagation class notes addendum

2021-02-13 Thread Tony Estep
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 11:11 AM kevinr wrote: > ...I found a few Bessel functions which still give me pause... === Yep. 73, Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Hel

[Elecraft] Antenna and Propagation class notes addendum

2021-02-13 Thread kevinr
I spent last night waiting for the power to go out reading these lecture notes.  I found part of the file was missing.  Upon further digging I found the original site where the entire class is located.  My rusty German helped me find it.  Luckily it is technical German where the words are one l

[Elecraft] Antenna and Propagation class notes

2021-02-12 Thread kevinr
http://www.ihe.kit.edu/img/studium/ARC_Main.pdf As usual I was looking for something else when I found an interesting document. This is an introduction to antennas and propagation without too much mathematics.  It ranges from analyzing wire antennas to patch antennas.  There is a good discus

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Support Poles, Mil-Surplus SOLD

2021-01-24 Thread James Bennett via Elecraft
That was fast - the poles and bag are sold. Jim Bennett Folsom, CA K7TXA (ex W6JHB as of 1/22/2021) Being retired doesn't mean I'm not part of the work force - just that I'm not forced to work! > On Jan 24, 2021, at 3:30 PM, James Bennett via Elecraft > wrote: > > In my continuing effort

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-19 Thread Fred Jensen
More than just them.  Steve, K6OIK, who has presented at a number of past Pacificons speaks about the Myths of Conjugate Matching in a Pacificon presentation from 2011 at https://www.fars.k6ya.org/docs/Conjugate-Match-Myths.pdf It begins on page 20.  This is Dr. Stearns home turf, it can be a l

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Wasn't there a debate between Maxwell and Walter Bruene (designed the Collins 30L1) on the conjugate match...I think Bruene disagreed with the popular notion of a conjugate match. Jack BMW Motorcycles Chuck KE9UW c-haw...@illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Jul 18, 2020, at 3:01 PM, Gary Peter

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Fred Jensen
I very vaguely remember there was a different optimum length for the others, thanks! 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 7/18/2020 12:25 PM, W2xj wrote: That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best. Sent fro

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Gary Peterson
You are in good company with Walter Maxwell, W2DU, now silent key. Maxwell was an engineer at RCA. He designed the antennas on several earth orbiting satellites and the antenna on the Lunar Rover. He explained this quite succinctly in his book Reflections (all three editions), by use of the

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread W2xj
That only applies to class A stations with protected skywave. Otherwise, something near 225 degrees is best. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:33, Fred Jensen wrote: > > And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al. All > represent changes to the antenna itse

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-18 Thread Fred Jensen
And the Texas Bug Catcher, Webster BandSpanner, SteppIR's, et al.  All represent changes to the antenna itself, which would also include changing the height [e.g. cranking the tower up and down] and possibly cutting down nearby trees or metal buildings [:=).  Any change to the antenna itself or

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Rick NK7I
Save one; the screwdriver antenna on my truck is tuned (coil adjusted) by the TurboTuner attached to my radio until a match is found. And an argument could be made that a SteppIR controller performs a similar function. The rest are matching circuits to compensate for the disparity of input to

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread David Gilbert
That's not in the least true, but those among us fixated on semantics continue to push that tired old myth. You could, for example, have an antenna with a feedpoint impedance of 50 - j40 ohms, and if you insert 40 ohms worth of inductance in series with the feedline at the feedpoint you wil

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread John Magliacane via Elecraft
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 10:03:24 PM EDT, Fred Jensen wrote: > No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been > "tuned" by an "antenna tuner." Unless the "tuner" is simply a broadband transformer, I might agree. But if the "tuner" is an LC network, like an adjustable L n

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Fred Jensen
No antenna has, at any time, anywhere in any of our lifetimes, been "tuned" by an "antenna tuner."  So called antenna tuners are 2-port impedance matching networks ... all of them ... and their job is to match the impedance on one port to another impedance on the second port, period.  Nothing g

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread John Magliacane via Elecraft
On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote: > Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a > tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k > WB9FMC On Friday, July 17, 2020, 08:21:54 PM EDT, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: >

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Dave - RRR - 73 Ken K5DNL On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:24:10 PM CDT, Dave Cole wrote: Tuners...  Tuners...  We don't need no stinking tuners...  Real men use antennas that don't need stinking tuners... Sorry I had too... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Dave Cole
Tuners... Tuners... We don't need no stinking tuners... Real men use antennas that don't need stinking tuners... Sorry I had too... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 7/1

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Kurt, We are not tuning the antenna , we are matching the antenna to the coax at the base of the antenna. 73 Ken K5DNL On Friday, July 17, 2020, 7:10:32 PM CDT, Kurt Pawlikowski wrote: Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna is a tuner! {'-) It accompl

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski
Ken: In some respects, a "matching device" at the base of the antenna _/is/_ a tuner! {'-) It accomplishes the same function... {'-) k WB9FMC On 7/17/2020 6:34 PM, Ken Roberson via Elecraft wrote: Antenna tuners I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at

[Elecraft] Antenna tuners

2020-07-17 Thread Ken Roberson via Elecraft
Antenna tuners I never use an antenna tuner , on the MF and LF bands realmen use a scopematch at the Output of the Power Amp and a matching device at the base ofthe vertical antenna – HI Hi. 73 Ken K5DNL   __ Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Routing

2020-05-28 Thread Gareth M5KVK
Thanks, Mike It's a K3S, so it has the upgraded KSYN3As Gareth, M5KVK On 28/05/2020, 18:29, "Mike Harris" wrote: Did I read at some stage that you do not have the internal ATU? That being so you will not have selectable ANT 1 or ANT 2. That being the case you will only have AN1 1

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna comment

2020-03-17 Thread John Langdon
almost all directions. He went from an SWL to the Honor Roll in record time. 73 John N5CQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Danehy Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 4:47 AM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna comment You can be a mile h

[Elecraft] Antenna comment

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Danehy
You can be a mile high (5,280’) on a plateau that goes for many miles. That still is FLAT LAND as far as a TAKE OFF ANGLE. What counts is the IMMEDIATE SLOPE of the land underneath the antenna. The first 1000 + feet is critical. The FIRST BOUNCE to the IONOSPHERE is the criterion for a DX LOCATI

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna or KAT500/KPA500 Problem

2019-08-07 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
I did a lot of testing with a tuner followed by a high-quality DX Engineering balun in a system with high, reactive SWR. I did not push it far enough to destroy the balun, but I did note a gradual increase in SWR. And yes, the rate of increase sped up as it got hotter. So I suggest testing just

[Elecraft] Antenna or KAT500/KPA500 Problem

2019-08-07 Thread Andy Durbin
"It is possible that the ferrites are heating. If that is the case, you could test it by transmitting a steady carrier for a minute while watching the SWR. If it’s heating, there should be a gradual rise." I have data for SWR runaway events that I believe were caused by heating of the ferrite c

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna or KAT500/KPA500 Problem

2019-08-06 Thread Vic Rosenthal
It is possible that the ferrites are heating. If that is the case, you could test it by transmitting a steady carrier for a minute while watching the SWR. If it’s heating, there should be a gradual rise. Twin lead will change characteristics significantly when it gets wet. So will ladder line, a

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna or KAT500/KPA500 Problem

2019-08-06 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/6/2019 7:00 PM, Mike Lichtman via Elecraft wrote: All thoughts are appreciated. The antenna itself has worked fine for me on all bands (80 thru 10) You should buy yourself a copy of the ARRL Antenna Book and learn about how to build your own antennas. That tube contains a lot of little

[Elecraft] Antenna or KAT500/KPA500 Problem

2019-08-06 Thread Mike Lichtman via Elecraft
Every so often at random after I have been on SSB for a while ( 80m with about 450w and a 1.1 to 1 SWR) my tuner jumps to retune or the amp faults and switches to standby. I am using a Van Gorden full size (102’) G5RV as an inverted vee. The 31’ matching section is 300 ohm twin lead and, e

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuner range

2019-03-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Steve, The range of the T1 and the internal KX3 are about the same. PS - why do folks insist on putting hyphens in the Elecraft model numbers - they do not belong, it is KX3 and not KX-3. Look at the sales brochure or the webpage. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2019 8:17 PM, Steve via Elecraft wrote:

[Elecraft] Antenna tuner range

2019-03-06 Thread Steve via Elecraft
I have an KX-3 with the built in tuner. How much wider range is the stand alone 20 QRP watt tuner? Thanks Steve kb1chu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.ht

[Elecraft] Antenna theory...

2018-09-17 Thread Gwen Patton
When I saw the "it's just a THEORY" post go by, I sat down and wrote a reply, because it really pushed my buttons. I keep trying to get rid of this pet peeve, but like in Steven King's "Pet Sematary", it keeps finding its way home again. I wrote that reply, but then I deleted it, because I figured

Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Antenna

2018-07-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
This was a very early prototype from last year. The antenna is now completely different. We’ll be posting info soon. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Jul 23, 2018, at 2:43 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > > Michael, > > look here: > https://va2ss.com/2017/10/19/elecraft-ax1-ultraportable-1720-meter-antenna

Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Antenna

2018-07-23 Thread Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS
Michael, look here: https://va2ss.com/2017/10/19/elecraft-ax1-ultraportable-1720-meter-antenna-system/ https://ve3ips.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/elecraft-ax1-faq-rev-f.pdf - 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" http://ok1rp.blogspot.com -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabb

[Elecraft] New Elecraft Antenna

2018-07-22 Thread Michael Heit via Elecraft
Where can I find more info on the new Elecraft antenna; I signed up for the newsletter but can't seem to find any info about it on their site. Anyone have any info yet? | Elecraft AX1 Whip Antenna | Michael HeitAD7VV    KX3  “Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our

[Elecraft] Antenna switching question

2018-02-22 Thread Chris Cox, N0UK
I love how well the external KPA100 performs and integrates with my KX3, and am particularly impressed at the speed the PA's ATU can find a match. The only niggle I have is that I need to remember to disable the ATU when using my mag loop on antenna 2 and enable it when using the end-fed wire on

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna switching question

2018-02-22 Thread Richard Ferch
The KAT500 remembers its settings for each band/port combination. You can connect several antennas to a given port through external switches, but if two of those antennas are ever used on the same band, there is a danger that the KAT500's settings that work with one of the antennas will be wrong fo

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna switching question

2018-02-22 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Or, perhaps experienced users can tell me that the tuning works quick enough that even if I try to confuse it the KAT500 will be quick enough that it isn't an issue. Since there is no overlap among the 160m inverted-L, LPDA (20-10) and 6 meter Yagi, I would put them on the manual switch on one

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna switching question

2018-02-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
Chuck, Since you have a manual switch for your antennas -- Consider your operating habits. Connect the 2 antennas you most frequently use to their own KAT500 port, then connect the others through your switch. Since you have the vertical which covers all bands, and other bands that overlap ban

[Elecraft] Antenna switching question

2018-02-22 Thread Chuck Chandler
Currently I have five antennas connected to my K3S via a manual switch: LPDA, 20 through 10 Vertical, CW on 80, low end of 40, 30, 20, 17, 15, 12 and 10. Dipole, Phone on 75, phone on 40, 20, 15 Inverted-L on 160 Yagi on 6 Mostly the antennas are below 2:1, but they need some flattening on 160, 80

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I agree with Ron in that one must understand using an ATU at the transmitter does not change feedline loss. In fact it adds additional system loss due to loss incurred in the tuner. If the transmitter can not deliver rated power into the load that is a different issue to resolve. The ATU may a

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Bill Johnson
. Winter has hindered my latest experimental antenna. NVIS is better than nothing :-). 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:36 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Ele

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Bill Johnson
, February 20, 2018 8:10 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit On this subject, it may be of interest to point to the article on my website www.w3fpr.com "Antennas, Transmission Lines and Tuners". This article first appeared in QRP Qu

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Alan your explanation opens the door to erroneous conclusions. Frequently a feed line does NOT have a low SWR by design. It is still a feed line in that it carries RF from the transmitter site to the radiator with a minimum of radiation from itself. A classic example is the Zepp antenna: a 1/2 wave

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
On this subject, it may be of interest to point to the article on my website www.w3fpr.com "Antennas, Transmission Lines and Tuners". This article first appeared in QRP Quarterly in July 2001. I am pleased that DXzone has also recognized that article and has included it in its Antennas/Theory

[Elecraft] Antenna tuning or matching unit

2018-02-20 Thread Alan B via Elecraft
This all depends on what is meant by antenna tuning. When teaching newbies the wrong phrase can cause problems that are not seen till later. Antennas are tuned with wire cutters or a hacksaw so the feed impedance is the desired value, ideally 50 ohm resistive or at least a match for the feeder c

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-03 Thread Jim Brown
Simple. Connect the analyzer output to one antenna, the input to the other.  Set the sweep range for that where you want to look at antenna coupling (usually one band for which the antennas are used). Make a sweep and tell the analyzer software to display S21 in dB.  S21 is the gain of a device

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-03 Thread Wes Stewart
In this case think of the network analyzer as a transmitter with a receiver tuned to the same frequency.  Before testing you connect the two together and normalize the receiver response to unity at each test frequency. Now connect the transmitter port to one antenna and the receive port to the o

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-03 Thread ab2tc
Hi, That ought to be fairly straightforward. Connect one antenna to the the output port of the analyzer and the other antenna to the input port. Then set the sweep for the frequency range you want to test. AB2TC - Knut wc1m wrote > Jim wrote: > >> Note also that this is a vector NETWORK analyz

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-03 Thread Dick Green
Jim wrote: > Note also that this is a vector NETWORK analyzer. A NETWORK analyzer has > input and output ports, so that in addition to impedance and TDR, it can also > measure the response of any system. You can, for example, measure the > effectiveness of filters, and the coupling between adja

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread John Perlick
3. Re: Antenna Analyzer (Doug Person) > 24. Re: Antenna Analyzer (George Thornton) > 25. K1 price? (Ken Alexander) > 26. Re: Antenna Analyzer (Ronnie Hull) > 27. Re: Antenna Analyzer (Michael Walker) > > > ---------

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob and all, The "classic" formula for a wire half wave dipole (known to most hams) is 468/F (length in feet and frequency in MHz), and your "492 x K" factor is correct. Sorry for those who use metric, you will have to convert) However, that may not lead to a resonant antenna due to a numbe

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Agreed.   I've always said hams cut an antenna a bit long and then trim it to get the lowest SWR at the desired frequency. This does not necessarily make for a resonant antenna.    My 75M antenna is resonant at 3.8 MHz as determined using a Grid Dip Oscillator,  but the impedance is about 35 oh

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I find that Jim's thoughts and findings are similar to mine. SWR is really not a good indication of how well an antenna works. One of my coax lines has a 1:1 SWR from 160M through 6M.  It doesn't receive well nor transmit well.  It' has a dummy load on the distant end. Along the same line, I h

[Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread John Harper
>Elecraft rigs, including the KX2, have an indicator for SWR that the rig >sees. Resonance can be clearly seen by moving up and down the band to >find it. Not necessarily. Resonance and point of lowest SWR do not always coincide. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ___

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/1/2017 10:30 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: What calibrations are you doing that take an hour? You can do a master cal with lots of points in 5 minutes. Yes.  AND, more important, calibrations can be saved for standard measurement setups, so when you're always using a previous setup, there's n

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN
Hi, Ronnie … There are a bezillion to choose from — big, small, graphical, TDR, need a computer or pad, etc, as others have pointed out. Another one you might consider is the iP30z (or iP60z) retailed through Buddipole. They’re a bit pricey compared to some options, but they have the advanta

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Because new toys are always exciting? On 12/1/2017 11:09 AM, Jim Brown wrote: Why must every perceived problem be resolved by buying something? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http:

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 12/1/2017 4:49 AM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: But it struck me that it might be nice to add a small antenna analyzer to my kit. Why must every perceived problem be resolved by buying something? All Elecraft rigs, including the KX2, have an indicator for SWR that the rig sees. Resonance can

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Mike Furrey
I have had the Comet analyzer for a year. Although a bit pricey for the number of functions, what it does, it does very well and is a very solid, well built, and easy to use device. With that said, I will add a VNA unit to my arsenal of analyzers soon. It sure would not hurt my feeling to see

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Michael Walker
ater resistant > sealed cases. These can get damaged in a wet environment. > > > > > > > > T-Original Message- > > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@ > mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon > > Sent: Friday, December

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-01 Thread Wes Stewart
What calibrations are you doing that take an hour? You can do a master cal with lots of points in 5 minutes. I use mine in the field all the time using a Win 10 touch screen tablet.  The software is phenomenal.  I've been doing network analysis since the days when the calibration curve was a g

[Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread P.J.Hicks
On the simple side I recently built Jack Purdum's Arduino controlled unit for about $60 and it works well and does all the normal functions required for a field operation on 10m to 80m. 73, PJH, N7PXY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: htt

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Mel Farrer via Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer I have several antenna analyzers. The best value I think is the YouKits FG-01 <https://www.vibroplex.com/contents/en-us/p190.html> .  It's price is on the lower end of the scale. It's color display and feature set are outstanding. I also

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Michael Walker
The RigExpert AA-1400 fits perfectly in a $40 Pelican 1200 case. I have mine, charger, batteries, etc in a nice Red 1200. I would post a pic, but you can't on this reflector. Mike va3mw On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:19 PM, George Thornton < gthorn...@thorntonmostullaw.com> wrote: > The Time Domai

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Ronnie Hull
raft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sheldon > Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 5:39 AM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer > > I was introduced to the SARK-110 several years ago and besides being an > excellent antenna analyzer, it h

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread George Thornton
: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer I was introduced to the SARK-110 several years ago and besides being an excellent antenna analyzer, it had one feature that nobody else had (when I bought the SARK) and that is called a "Time Domain Reflectometer". This a

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Doug Person
I have several antenna analyzers. The best value I think is the YouKits FG-01 . It's price is on the lower end of the scale. It's color display and feature set are outstanding. I also have the MFJ 223 which is very compact and highly functio

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-01 Thread Mark Goldberg
I have one more suggestion. I have a MiniVNA Tiny, expensive at about $600, but it is a full two port Vector Network Analyzer in a 2.5" X 2.5" X 1" box connected via USB. It has both a computer app and a phone app to run it. I have taken it out in the field where I would never consider taking a 75

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-01 Thread Ignacy
The choice of analyzers is not that simple unless cheap price is the only factor. I have four analyzers: Rigexpert 230Pro, FA-VA4, VNWA3 and Mini60. Rigexpert covers up to 230 MHz and costs about $500. It is the easiest to use and has the most functionality. Less accurate because it does not have

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Igor Sokolov
+1 73, Igor UA9CDC 01.12.2017 18:23, John Oppenheimer пишет: The SARK 110 is very small with many features: http://www.sark110.com/ John KN5L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http

[Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Dick Dickinson
Thanks folks for the rundown on current small Antenna Analyzers. Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzers

2017-12-01 Thread Mike Lichtman via Elecraft
It would be nice if Elecraft had their own branded analyzer. It could be a semi kit like the graphing one being sold from Germany. 73 Mike KF6KXG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer (FA-VA4)

2017-12-01 Thread Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)
John, I saw that one on FunkAmateur/Box73, they sell the kit. What appeals me is the price (155 euro), the simplicity the way it can be built, the features, apart form being a nice graphical analyzer it's much more like a signal generator from 100 kHz to 100 MHz. It's readable in direct sunli

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Mike Cox
These were very useful devices from "back in the day". I see a couple available on ebay by searching for "Palomar noise bridge" Mike, AB9V On 12/1/2017 7:49 AM, w5...@comcast.net wrote: just a quick question for the collective group here. I have built up my KX-2 travel kit. The first week of

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Dave Cole (NK7Z)
Having a graph of the entire band is so helpful, The AA series make for a single button test... You adjust, then hit the go button. You then see exactly what happened to your SWR dip. Did it go too far, not far enough, etc. Others, you have to fuss with knobs to find the dip, then remember

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Bob N3MNT
I have had good luck with this one. Very small and works well. https://youkits.com/products/youkits-fg-01-1-72mhz-antenna-analyser -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.ne

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Jim Sheldon
th Chart plots and other stuff too. You can control it with a computer via USB too. No financial interest in the company, just a very happy user. Jim - W0EB -- Original Message -- From: "John Oppenheimer" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: 12/1/2017 7:23:20 AM Subject: Re: [Elec

Re: [Elecraft] Antenna Analyzer

2017-12-01 Thread Michael Walker
I would have to agree. the Rigexpert AA series. Well made, drop proof and stand alone. Mike va3mw On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 8:23 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > The SARK 110 is very small with many features: > > http://www.sark110.com/ > > John KN5L > _

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