Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-24 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 6:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I really don't know the relative conductor to shield apacitance of the 4 conductor cable may be, That's something I had to learn about from a practical, hands-on point of view for my work in pro audio, and also as a member of the AES Standards

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Chris Kimball
Just made up a new cable of length approximately 15 ft. (That's the length that was available.) It's foil-shielded, 4 conductor cable probably equal or equivalent to that provided by Elecraft. The KPA-100 / KAT-100 combination appear to be working normally. Is this a new world record for

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Chris, I don't think you will get any smoke, but if you get strange happenings - like the KPA100 is not recognized, or doesn't give a response back to the K2 in sufficient time (command flow over the AUXBUS) and things get mixed up or you get ERR 080, the cure will be to shorten the cable.

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 12:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I don't think you will get any smoke, but if you get strange happenings - like the KPA100 is not recognized, or doesn't give a response back to the K2 in sufficient time (command flow over the AUXBUS) and things get mixed up or you get ERR 080, the

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim, While you may be correct about the noise pickup, there is also concern about timing issues - if only because the performance has not been tested at longer lengths by observing the bit timings on the AUUXBUS. Some time back I had discussions with Jack Brindle about about extending the

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Jim Brown
On 3/23/2012 3:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: I recall that 6 feet was considered an OK length because it had been tested - longer lengths had not been tested. Of course, this applies to the K2. The K3 may or may not be different. Thanks Don. At the very least, if this is a critical issue it

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-03-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jim. Jack Brindle and I just had an off-list email exchange in which he did state that the conductor capacitance and resulting waveform distortion may be a factor. I really don't know the relative conductor to shield capacitance of the 4 conductor cable may be, but common sense tells me that

[Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-02-22 Thread Chris Kimball
Just bought a fine used remote KPA100/KAT100 in an EC2 cabinet. It's neat, but I'd like to put it under the operating desk, rather than beside the K2. Can the K2 serial bus and the other 3 signals be extended for a total of 6 ft? Any problem remoting the RF by the same 6 ft? Alas, the KPA100

Re: [Elecraft] Cable length for KPA/KAT100 remote; importance of KPA100 upgrade

2012-02-22 Thread Don Wilhelm
Chris, Why not try locating the KPA100/KAT100 at 6 cable feet from the base K2 and see what happens. There is no real information available on that subject that I am aware of. There are cautions available - those cautions say that there *may* be timing problems on the Auxbus signalling - if