Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread bill conkling
-- >From: "Phil Kane" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:16 PM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 > > >> On 10/7/2013 3:44 PM, Neal Enault wrote: >> >>> To determine the effects of ambient temperature, one has to d

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread David Cutter
ay, October 08, 2013 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 David, I believe the same codes do apply since they are based on current, not voltage. Codes aside, do not take low voltage, high current sources lightly (particularly batteries) because they are a very

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
David, I believe the same codes do apply since they are based on current, not voltage. Codes aside, do not take low voltage, high current sources lightly (particularly batteries) because they are a very large source of energy. If shorted, molten metal spewing all over is not an exaggeratio

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread David Cutter
t: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 On 10/7/2013 3:44 PM, Neal Enault wrote: To determine the effects of ambient temperature, one has to do some not so accurate calculations or refer to a document like MIL-W-5088 which also provides guidanc

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread Phil Kane
On 10/7/2013 3:44 PM, Neal Enault wrote: > To determine the effects of ambient temperature, one has to do some > not so accurate calculations or refer to a document like MIL-W-5088 > which also provides guidance for wire ratings in bundles and at > various altitudes. In the civilian/industrial w

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ed and all, When calculating the voltage drop like this, you need to add the voltage drop in the negative side wire as well as the positive side. The same current flows on both sides, so the voltage drop must be calculated using the length of both wires. This fact is often forgotten. .007

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-08 Thread Edward R Cole
Another thing that states this is current ratings on switches (ever look at the specs?). Typical toggle switch may be rated 20A at 125vac and 10A at 250vac. Why? If the load resistance is the same then twice the voltage will double the current. Heat dissipation of the switch is the same fo

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Neal Enault
3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 So far nobody has mentioned insulation material.  The rating of a cable has little to do with melting the wire and mostly to do with melting or softening the insulation which would create a shock and/ or fire hazard. The same

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread David Cutter
ubject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 OK Joe, You are correct. It has been a very long time since I have been involved with heat related science issues. More current equals more heat (for a given resistance) has been sufficient for me most of the time without getting into the

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
OK Joe, You are correct. It has been a very long time since I have been involved with heat related science issues. More current equals more heat (for a given resistance) has been sufficient for me most of the time without getting into the exact math. It is good to know that some folks here

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Fjeld Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:44 PM To: Brad Blasing ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 I didn't check your figures, but I agree with your understanding except at 240 volts, tha

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Don Wilhelm
an.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 I didn't check your figures, but I agree with your understanding except at 240 volts, that same wire gauge would have twice the capacity. __ Elecraft mai

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Fjeld
I retract this. I have no excuse. -Original Message- From: Richard Fjeld Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:51 PM To: Brad Blasing ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 I better say 'twice the current carrying capacity'. ---

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Fjeld
You are correct. I answered too quickly. I stand corrected. Dick, n0ce -Original Message- From: Mark Bayern Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:50 PM To: Richard Fjeld Cc: Brad Blasing ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 "I didn&#x

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Fjeld
I better say 'twice the current carrying capacity'. -Original Message- From: Richard Fjeld Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:44 PM To: Brad Blasing ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 I didn't check your figures, but I

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Mark Bayern
>>"I didn't check your figures, but I agree with your understanding except at >>240 volts, that same wire gauge would have twice the capacity. "twice the capacity" What does that mean? Earlier you were talking about current. At 240 volts the current carrying capacity of your wire would be the

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Richard Fjeld
craft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11 The math looks correct, but the analysis is wrong. The first statement "rated for 20 amps at 120 volts" is wrong. A more correct statement would be that a given wire size (12 gauge for example) is rated for 20 amps. Voltage has nothing to do wi

Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 114, Issue 11

2013-10-07 Thread Brad Blasing
The math looks correct, but the analysis is wrong. The first statement "rated for 20 amps at 120 volts" is wrong. A more correct statement would be that a given wire size (12 gauge for example) is rated for 20 amps. Voltage has nothing to do with it. The amp rating of wire is based on gauge only