Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Jim Brown
On Fri,12/23/2016 10:11 AM, Alan Bloom wrote: You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. Wayne carefully shaped the keying waveform to minimize occupied bandwidth while maintaining good clarity at high keying speeds, and he purposely did not allow users to

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Jan Erik Holm
Yes was thinking it was something new. ThankĀ“s Alan 73 merry xmas / Jim SM2EKM On 2016-12-24 06:23, Alan Bloom wrote: Apparently you can't. I must have been thinking of the weight adjustment. Alan N1AL On 12/23/2016 09:22 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: On

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Alan Bloom
Apparently you can't. I must have been thinking of the weight adjustment. Alan N1AL On 12/23/2016 09:22 PM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: On 2016-12-23 19:11, Alan Bloom wrote: You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. Alan N1AL How do you do that ? / 73 Jim

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Jan Erik Holm
On 2016-12-23 19:11, Alan Bloom wrote: You could always compensate for it by adjusting the K3 for softer key shaping. Alan N1AL How do you do that ? / 73 Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/ele

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW This has drifted fairly far from the original. Thus encouraged ... I wondered about that and being retired I pursued it, ultimately with the tech folks [well, one folk] at WWV who repeatedly assured me that they were on-frequency and that their time informat

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Fred Jensen
This has drifted fairly far from the original. Thus encouraged ... I wondered about that and being retired I pursued it, ultimately with the tech folks [well, one folk] at WWV who repeatedly assured me that they were on-frequency and that their time information was correct which of course was

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Alan Bloom
I believe the K3/K3S use a raised sinusoid key shaping. It is a good compromise to reduce the bandwidth without excessive ringing/backwave. In the bad old days, CW key shaping was typically a simple R-C filter on the key line. That resulted in an exponential rise and fall, which resulted in

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
er audio (baseband) power required, but it is not as linear either. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9MA Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 2:39 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW Very interesti

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Fred Jensen
Google "ampliphase" ... OKA: "The Transmitter all broadcast engineers hate." All linear phase modulation until AM magically squirts out the top. Factoid: When WWV was brand new, it transmitted farm reports for the Agriculture Department ... using Morse code. I'm guessing the number of farme

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread K9MA
Very interesting, Fred. It makes sense, though, that plate modulated class-C amplifiers aren't terribly linear. On the other hand, that kind of distortion probably doesn't affect WWV's mission. I wonder if the AM broadcast industry achieves lower distortion. Feedback comes to mind. 73, Sc

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Fred Jensen
Not CW, and this probably won't work in 4X-land, but if you want to see the difference a Class-C amp makes, set your P3 span to about 6 KHz, and tune in WWV on its various frequencies. During the tone-on minutes, the 2.5 and 20 MHz signals will look as you expect an AM signal with a tone modul

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread K9MA
On 12/23/2016 12:11, Alan Bloom wrote: For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems like the distortion would have to be really bad to sh

Re: [Elecraft] IMD and CW

2016-12-23 Thread Alan Bloom
For a CW signal, the nonlinearity of a typical power amplifier should have the effect of shortening the rise and fall times. That does indeed widen the transmitted bandwidth. But intuitively, it seems like the distortion would have to be really bad to shorten the rise/fall times by much. You

[Elecraft] IMD and CW (was: Re: K3s - 80W on 160 - Resolved)

2016-12-22 Thread Vic Rosenthal
I didn't exactly do this, but I did investigate the effects of distortion on CW signals. I disconnected my P3 from the K3 and set the IF to 7 MHz. so it would act like a standalone spectrum analyzer. I was interested in whether a class-C amplifier I had built would sharpen the keying enough to