Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 7:45 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question
You know, the point is moot. I would assume that Wayne & Eric looked at
getting a replacement vendor, but then after getting bids based on the sales
history of the EC2, they determ
i tend to think you’re right. If Elecraft has determined that it isn’t
economical for them to continue to produce the EC2, then perhaps we shouldn’t
be giving side eye about what it costs to laser cut a piece of metal at even a
mom and pot shop. Sure .. maybe that’s cheap, but there’s a good
You know, the point is moot. I would assume that Wayne & Eric looked
at getting a replacement vendor, but then after getting bids based on
the sales history of the EC2, they determined that it would not be
feasible at the price point they wanted to sell them at.
Now, it would be great if
My conversations with a senior manager for a company that makes
components for auto manufacturers is that, while 3D printing is
widely used for small runs of prototypes, traditional tooling
still rules for production.
In answer to Ed, KL7UW's comments about his amp, I'm quite
satisfied with
I’m actually having difficulty imagining using a 3D printer to make a good
looking smooth sheet metal cabinet.
Examples?
Chuck
KE9UW
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:24 PM, W2xj wrote:
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> Well no. That $5k could be spread over all the metalwork and greatly reduce
>
You are distorting this way out of proportion. While you may be describing the
20th century method for large scale manufacturing, it has little to do with
today’s technology. To begin with, Elecraft is a small low volume operation. I
doubt they go through all the processes you describe. In any
"after initial design", and "one off run" is key here.
When you are a doing it as a hobby, you may not count the cost of that
design element. For a manufacturer, it means a lot more that getting a
part in-hand. Engineering prototypes are one thing, getting a product
out for production sales
Times have changed. 3D printing permits one off runs with little effort after
the initial design.
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> On Dec 23, 2018, at 8:00 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
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> Have to agree, in principle, with Don.
>
> Many of you may never had done a small volume production. I have.
> I
Have to agree, in principle, with Don.
Many of you may never had done a small volume production. I have.
I cannot afford to purchase CNC tooling, metal brakes, etc. for a
project of twelve copies. Vendors are all out of state with added
shipping costs.
So I chose a good quality commercial
To the original point, there is no difficulty finding a different vendor, there
are no tooling costs, and producing parts in small quantity is not cost
prohibitive.
Some people need to be right. Others want the right answer. Only the latter is
of interest.
Enough said.
73,
Josh W6XU
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Well no. That $5k could be spread over all the metalwork and greatly reduce
inventory.
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 20:11, Don Wilhelm wrote:
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> Well, if you spread $5K over a projected sales quantity of 100 (there were
> not of EC2 enclosures sold), then you have a tooling
Well, if you spread $5K over a projected sales quantity of 100 (there
were not of EC2 enclosures sold), then you have a tooling cost of $50
per enclosure.
Add to that the cost of administrative support, creating web pages,
packing and shipping labor, and you have an EC2 enclosure that has to
You can buy a 3D printer for under $5K and make metal work on an as needed
basis. That is where the auto industry is going.
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 19:03, Don Wilhelm wrote:
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> Josh,
>
> I may not be up to speed, but there are startup costs for anything. Those
> costs
Oh come on. Now you're just making things up.
I just had some structural brackets made. They had 18 holes, laser cut and bent
from 3/8" thick 304 stainless. They were $45 ea for 13 pcs. Supplier did the
CAD for me from my pencil sketch. Took him less than 10 minutes, no extra
charge.
A
Josh,
I may not be up to speed, but there are startup costs for anything.
Those costs have to be added to the product cost and for small volumes,
it can be prohibited.
Entering a CAD file, getting scheduling from a small shop that may have
a full schedule already can be costly.
73,
Don
Hi Don,
Sounds like you're not up to speed on 21st century sheet metal fabrication.
Small volume parts like this would be cut on a laser and bent with a CNC press
brake. The only setup is loading the programs and there is no tooling. If
someone draws the parts using a CAD program like Solid
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Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 7:51 PM
To: donw...@embarqmail.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question
I wonder if 3D printing would be cost effective.
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> On Dec
I wonder if 3D printing would be cost effective.
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 17:15, Don Wilhelm wrote:
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> Josh,
>
> The stuff needed to punch the panels out of a piece of aluminum and put the
> holes in the right place. The tools needed to bend the panels at the right
>
Josh,
The stuff needed to punch the panels out of a piece of aluminum and put
the holes in the right place. The tools needed to bend the panels at
the right places. That stuff can cost thousands of dollars.
It is not the same as making a one-off copy using hand marked pieces.
If you have
What tooling?
73
Josh W6XU
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> On Dec 22, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
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> All,
>
> Once again, the EC2 was discontinued because the metal supplier is no longer
> in business.
> To find another vendor is out of the question. The startup and tooling costs
>
All,
Once again, the EC2 was discontinued because the metal supplier is no
longer in business.
To find another vendor is out of the question. The startup and tooling
costs would be excessively high for the projected quantities involved.
How many EC2 enclosure could Elecraft sell at a price
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question
Johnny,
NO! First of all, the KPA100 occupies the entire top area of the K2
(there is no room in the K2 for both) and secondly, the KAT2 is only
rated for 20 watts,
and thirdly, the ATU must be between the amplifier and the antenna - a
tuner
setup and works great!
Rick
K4LX
K2 No. 2005
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on
behalf of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 3:03:18 PM
To: Johnny Matlock; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 100 Tuner question
Johnny
Johnny,
NO! First of all, the KPA100 occupies the entire top area of the K2
(there is no room in the K2 for both) and secondly, the KAT2 is only
rated for 20 watts,
and thirdly, the ATU must be between the amplifier and the antenna - a
tuner at the input of an amplifier will do nothing
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