Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Now this has me wondering about having my 2 meter and 6 meter antennas in close proximity.   From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input Semi-related topic

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Edward R Cole
Semi-related topic: Recently, I was hosting a local 2m-SSB net and had my KX3-2M connected to a 7-element yagi pointed 90-degrees from the transmitting antenna array (K3+xvtr+150w amp). Spacing is about 40-feet horizontally and 30-feet vertically (Tx ant higher). Its normal to run the Pream

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread David Cutter
If the 2nd rx pre-amp can add sufficient gain, then a resistive divider on that input will add a good degree of protection. Receive-only aerials often have their own pre-amps, so there might be plenty of gain in hand. Coax to the 2nd rx should still be protected against common mode current.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Frank Krozel
Folks, Have we lost track of our senses? (I never vent so please allow me to do so..) I like to “trade a lot" and see many radios that have a blown out front end, which usually I can fix. Most times the victim radio was “on receive” with a shiny new transmitter that was “just being set in pl

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Doug Turnbull
...@embarqmail.com] Sent: 28 January 2015 13:41 To: Doug Turnbull; 'Lyle Johnson'; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input Doug, Not necessarily - the K3 RX antenna input can be exposed to RF from the TX antenna whether that is the K3 tra

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Ken
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > > Lyle and company, > To be clear are you talking about using another transmitter other than > the K3's transmitter and external amplifier? This is my reading and I am > just checking. Thank you. Both. I believe the OP asked about

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Doug, Not necessarily - the K3 RX antenna input can be exposed to RF from the TX antenna whether that is the K3 transmitting or another transmitter. In the case of another transmitter, one can add the exposure to the K3 normal ANT1 or ANT2 input if an antenna is connected. 73, Don W3FPR On 1

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-28 Thread Doug Turnbull
-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson Sent: 27 January 2015 23:45 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Thank you Sounds like that may be my solution From: "d...@lightstream.net" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input I've been using the Array Solutions device (AS-RX

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread d...@lightstream.net
I've been using the Array Solutions device (AS-RXFEP) for over a year on my K3. I have a homebrew magnetic loop connected to the K3 sub rx, with the loop located about 15 feet from the transmitting ground plane (about 6' above ground). Prior to installing the AS-RXFEP, the sub rx COR would be trigg

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
Thank you From: Lyle Johnson To: Elecraft Reflector Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, and preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK. Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running up to 1 kW, 30 dB if running

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
In general, ensure the coupled energy into the receiver antenna connector is less than 1 watt under absolute worst case conditions, and preferably under 100 mW, and your receiver should be OK. Put another way, the antennas should be separated by 40 dB if running up to 1 kW, 30 dB if running up

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ken, I am not Wayne, but I can tell you that you question does not have a single answer. Do you run an amplifier? More power requires greater separation between the TX and the RX antennas. Another factor is the orientation of the antennas. An RX antenna in the null pattern of the TX antenn

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread hsherriff
Yesplease Wayne. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Ken Date:01/27/2015 5:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input Wayne, can you please

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Ken
Wayne, can you please elaborate on what is sufficient antenna separation when a transmitter is operating on another antenna? I ask this because my K3 returning from a trip to Elecraft after damaging the front end. I assume it happened when I was testing an old boat anchor (Viking II, 100 w

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Phil, The K3 ANT1 and ANT2 connections are not of concern, they are protected by the T/R circuits in the K3. The AUX ant is protected by a COR (Carrier Operated Relay) that will activate if there is too much RF being brought in by the AUX antenna. While it should protect the K3 (and KRX3) f

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Phil Anderson
Perhaps you could clarify protection on RX inputs. I have the KRX3 and run the internal 100 watt amp. Sometimes I share the same antenna with TX, ANT 1 or ANT2. I assumed there that the RX is protected. Sometimes I use the AUX antenna for diversity receive. Is that input not protected? When doe

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Wayne Burdick
This would only be necessary if you're running high power and/or the antenna to be used with the KRX3 is close to the transmit antenna. Could you describe your antenna system? Wayne N6KR http://www.elecraft.com > On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:12 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft > wrote: > > I ord

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Edward R Cole
An alternative to a relay (which should ground the sub-receiver ant) is using a pin diode to short the input. Typically one uses a coupling capacitor to isolate the antenna from the circuit which will have a low value of dc bias to turn on the pin diode which will conduct to ground and short t

Re: [Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Mike K2MK
There are a couple of things to think about. How much power are you running? How close is the receive antenna to your transmitting antenna? Does your receive only antenna possibly have an interface that can connect to the key out of the K3? (My Pixel Loop antenna has such a device) You can also tr

[Elecraft] K3 Sub Receiver and protecting the Sub RX input

2015-01-27 Thread Harry Yingst via Elecraft
I ordered the sub receiver and in the conversation with Elecraft I was informed that it is good idea to build a device that would short the dedicated RX antenna to ground to protect it during transmit. The simple way would be a relay but I'd rather not hear a relay click with each transmission.