Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
You insist on making this an either/or kind of choice, and it simply is not. APF does not make a result in your brain, it simply listens to slower CW with a very narrow bandwidth. It seems to have times when it will pull something out of noise, and other times not, by use of the narrowness.

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Barry N1EU
Guy, K2AV wrote: to evaluate diversity, you need to go somewhere and HEAR diversity from a dual RX K3. Then you'll have the sensory answer to your question, whether you decide to get it or not. To get a good taste of diversity for weak signal cw reception, plug a pair of stereo headphones

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread callen1155
Thanks for the explanations and your patience gentlemen. I've got it now. 73. chuck AF4XK -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KRX3-vs-APF-on-weak-signals-tp6577049p6578685.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Mike K2MK
Hi Chuck, Diversity reception may not work for everybody. My brain can't handle it. Having a near identical sound in both ears with one side fading in and out doesn't seem to make it easier for me to copy. I prefer to just switch between two antennas and listen to the one that sounds best. To do

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Barry N1EU
Mike K2MK wrote: Diversity reception may not work for everybody. My brain can't handle it. I guess I'm the opposite. I use diversity virtually all the time on 160M-20M. Even when the rx antenna + subrx isn't necessarily making the signal more readable, I find the stereo effect very

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Edward R. Cole
1300 miles. (lots of info on my website) 73, Ed - KL7UW K3/10 with KRX3 -- Message: 21 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT) From: callen1155 callen1...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ?? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
And then there's diversity implemented at RF like all the older diversity receivers used. In that case you cannot tell that diversity is being used, unless you have a non-diversity receiver to compare the signal with in real time. The only difference is that QSB is much reduced and,

[Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-12 Thread callen1155
Hello folks. I operate cw 98% of the time. After 'rag chewing' for several years I'm becoming more interested in DX'ing. Also I'm eager to try my luck on 160 meters despite my QTH and antenna restrictions. I've been considering purchasing the KRX3 (second receiver) for a year or more. However

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-12 Thread Tony Estep
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM, callen1155 callen1...@yahoo.com wrote: ...I'm becoming more interested in DX'ingI've been considering purchasing the KRX3 (second receiver) ... == Chuck, the second receiver does more than just offer diversity. A lot of CW DX is worked split, and

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-12 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Your question reads like, Do I have enough rocks in this bucket, or do I have more hammers in this bucket? The APF does not do what diversity does for you. APF is a monaural concept. Diversity allows you to spread the noise while signals remain discreet. This is something which your ears

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-12 Thread callen1155
Thanks for the responses but I'm at a loss as to why the question is confusing. I'm trying to determine the most efficient method to hear weak/fading cw signals. I have read on here many times where folks brag on the 2nd receivers' ability to overcome fading band conditions via diversity receive

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 vs APF on weak signals ??

2011-07-12 Thread Lyle Johnson
If it is signal to noise ratio is weak but steady, no QSB, then APF ought to do the trick if the CW speed is compatible with the APF bandwidth. If it is a rotating signal through the ionosphere (QSB, fading), then diversity (including diversity */with/* APF enabled). 73, Lyle KK7P ... My