RE: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-13 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The Par EF-20/40 ***IS*** a vertical 1/2 wave. 73, Bill W4ZV -- Then it should be a good basis for comparison, at least on 20 meters. Even the PAR EF-20/40 may not be comparable on 40 since it's physically only

Re: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-13 Thread Bill Tippett
AC7AC wrote: >a decent comparison with a horizontal 1/2 wave radiator can only be made with a vertical 1/2 wave radiator The Par EF-20/40 ***IS*** a vertical 1/2 wave. 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Paul Gates
ion I want to share about NVIS antennas but will leave that for another email. Paul Paul Gates K1 #0231 KX1 #1186 XG1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [Elecra

Re: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Ed, WA3WSJ wrote: >Recently I compared a 40m dipole fed with 300 ohm ladder line up 20 feet to a ground-mounted vertical on a 100 foot cliff at Turkey Point Lighthouse, MD. The vertical beat the dipole by around two S-Units. Bill, W4ZV wrote: Interesting. I had just the opposite exp

Re: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Stuart Rohre
The definition of Marconi antenna is that it is quarter wave. A half wave antenna is called a Hertz antenna in some older literature. Stuart K5KVH

Re: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
In re the comments on Marconi antenna and ground effects, Isn't the Par end-fed a vertically polrized Hertz antenna, not a Marconi? Leigh / WA5ZNU On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 9:29 am, Bill Tippett wrote: Interesting. I had just the opposite experience in the recent Flight of the Bumblebees tes

RE: [Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Bill, W4ZV wrote: Over flat terrain, a dipole up ~1/2 wavelength has 7-8 dB gain over a vertical at typical 30 degree takeoff angles. On a mountain top, the TOA goes down because the effective height is raised. --- When people say "vertica

[Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Bill Tippett
WA3WSJ: >Recently I compared a 40m dipole fed with 300 ohm ladder line up 20 feet to a ground-mounted vertical on a 100 foot cliff at Turkey Point Lighthouse, MD. The vertical beat the dipole by around two S-Units. Interesting. I had just the opposite experience in the recent Flight of t

[Elecraft] RE: Low Antenna on Mountain Top

2005-08-12 Thread Edward R. Breneiser
Hello, I have plenty of experience with antennas on mountain tops. I have tried dipoles on mountain tops with good results. I usually tie off the center of the dipole at around 15' to 20'. The mountain height does the rest. I once had a very interesting experience with the issue of HF and antenn