Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Mychael Morohovich wrote: The method I used was to first tune the antenna with my KAT100 for a flat SWR, tune the counterpoise for max current at the rig, then tweak both until the KAT100 reported a flat SWR for the antenna while the Artificial Ground reported maximum current into the counterp

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Mychael Morohovich
Vic wrote: "I was making the point that his experiment of unhooking the counterpoise and measuring the current into the radiator did not indicate that the counterpoise was or was not improving antenna performance." - The method I use

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Vic, K2VCO, wrote: Keep in mind that you are measuring the current in the radiator AT A PARTICULAR POINT. - The counterpoise is tuned for maximum current at the *rig*! The idea is that the more current flowing into the counterpoise for a given po

RE: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Vic, K2VCO, wrote: Keep in mind that you are measuring the current in the radiator AT A PARTICULAR POINT. - The counterpoise is tuned for maximum current at the *rig*! The idea is that the more current flowing into the counterpoise for a given power output the lower the RF

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Vic Rosenthal
Mychael Morohovich wrote: Instead of a 1/4 wl wire, I use an MFJ Artificial Ground to tune a wire for maximum current per given band. While measuring, one thing that surprised me was to discover that with my 86' EFW, the use of a properly tuned counterpoise didn't always increase the current to

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Mychael Morohovich
A while back, Ron AC7AC designed, built, and kindly sent me a simple yet elegant rf current sensor that operates along with my DMM to give an accurate quantification of how my rig is delivering power to the radiator. More current equals more radiation. One thing it allows me to do is to calculat

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm
David, Sorry about the confusion. I was not proposing that the grounded halfwave was a practical solution - my intent was only to point out that the behavior of RF on a 'counterpoise wire' is not magic, but follows the same rules as other wires carrying RF, just like an antenna element, or one

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread David A. Belsley
On Dec 10, 2004, at 9:27 AM, W3FPR - Don Wilhelm wrote: One of the 'funny' properties about RF is that it will always find a (ground) reference somewhere - that may be from any wire, chassis, PC board or even your body. Whatever the RF finds convenient will be used as its ground reference.

Re: [Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread W3FPR - Don Wilhelm
Charlie, John and all, One of the 'funny' properties about RF is that it will always find a (ground) reference somewhere - that may be from any wire, chassis, PC board or even your body. Whatever the RF finds convenient will be used as its ground reference. The idea of using a proper counte

[Elecraft] Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 8, Issue 10

2004-12-10 Thread Charles B. Wilber
--- John W2XS wrote: The 42-foot wire received slightly lower signal reports than the inverted V, but most people said that they could still hear me fine on the wire. To my surprise, though, most people reported no real difference with and without the counterpoise. I don't know if this was a circu