[Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Tayloe Dan-P26412
So the reduction in SNR (assuming equal noise power) is 3.01 dB, not 6 dB. That's the best case if the noise power is equal. If the other receiver has higher noise power (wider bandwidth, more interfering signals, etc.) the S/N reduction is greater. Even 3 dB reduction in S/N is a big hit

Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Vic K2VCO
Tayloe Dan-P26412 wrote: However, if the situation is a weak signal situation where the receiver noise floor is at least partially masking the desired signal, we have a different situation. Band noise and stations on the band will both be correlated coming out of both receivers and thus get

Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Kok Chen
On Nov 17, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Tayloe Dan-P26412 wrote: Band noise from one receiver at any instant in time will look exactly like band noise from the second receiver. That is true if the two receivers are tuned to the same passband and you are using an identical antenna for the two

RE: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Tayloe Dan-P26412
, or when a very poor antenna is being used. - Dan, N7VE -Original Message- From: Kok Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:55 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Cc: Tayloe Dan-P26412 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Kok Chen
On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Tayloe Dan-P26412 wrote: How can it hurt the SNR? Because in split operation, you are adding the noise from two different bandpasses, yet you are only hearing the signal from the original single receiver. Let receiver (1) hear s(t) + n1(t) and receiver (2)

Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3: listening to both rcvrs - Reduced receiver noise floor

2008-11-17 Thread Kok Chen
On Nov 17, 2008, at 3:01 PM, Kok Chen wrote: Prob( (s+n1+n2)^2 ) = Prob(s^2 + n1^2 + n2^2 + n1.n2 + s.n1 + s.n2). If s, n1 and n2 are uncorrelated, then Prob(n1.n2) = Prob(s.n1) = Prob(s.n2) = 0. Whoops, that should be Prob( (s+n1+n2)^2 ) = Prob(s^2 + n1^2 + n2^2 + 2.n1.n2 + 2.s.n1 +