[Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Clifford Hynds
HI, OK this is probably a hard question but I am looking at something other than a straight key to try my hand at CW again. Thought it time to go back to basics and QRP. Single or Dual paddles , suggested paddles? Open to suggestions ? thanks in advance, Cliff Vk2CCJ __

[Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Erik Basilier
Ron, since I learnt CW in Sweden many years ago, I am very comfortable transmitting without having the forearm on the table. In fact, I have used that method during all my years in the US until recently. The key to the method (pls forgive pun) is to mount the key on a platform under the table so th

[Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Erik Basilier
Buddy, Since I have no personal experience with a bug, whatever I suggested about bugs was an echo of what Ron had just said. I think he must have just made a typo When he said dashes on the thumb. Erik What? All the bugs I have, all three of 'em, have dits on the thumb and dahs on the othe

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
;s. More recently, I use the KXPD3 on the KX3. 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clifford Hynds Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:40 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested key/

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Hjalmar Duklæt
Hi Cliff. Have a look at this site http://cwtouchkeyer.com/. I've been using these paddles for nearly two years and my opinion is that they can not be beaten by any mechanical paddles, and I've tried quite a few during over 30 years of cw operation.And they are very cheap too. 73 de Hal/LA4XX

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Horsten
Hi Cliff, If you are not aspiring to be a "speed demon" (40WPM plus), Iambic keying is the most comfortable and it is very easy to learn. So get a dual lever paddle. You say not too expensive, that rules out my favorite, Begali Sculpture, but there is a reason that the Bencher BY-1 is considered t

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Ian Kahn - Ham
Cliff, When I needed something for CW and didn't want to spend much money (I'm not a big CW op but was learning and wanted to chase a couple of awards), I found a used Bencher BY-1 on ebay for about $60 US. It's a great little paddle, plugs right in to my K3, and works great. Hope this help

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
Paddles are like boats - you can spend as much or as little as you want. There are many excellent paddles within most budgets. Don't take anyone's word for which paddle is "best" or you will like. It's a matter of personal preference. The range of qualities and prices is very broad. Try before you

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Bill Frantz
Paddles are a wonderful project for people who like to make mechanical things. I build a single lever paddle using the arm bearing from an old hard drive, lots of brass pieces from the hardware store, two super magnets for springs, and some silver wire from a jeweler friend for the contacts. I

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Ken G Kopp
Hi Cliff ! I have a Bencher/Elecraft HexKey. It's -very- good. I also have two Bencher BY-series paddles, and they're good. Paddles are like women perhaps ... but a lot less expensive to "audition". I've been a CW for 61 years ... even made a living with it ... but never managed to be "good" a

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Rick Stealey
One thing you can do to help decide - try adjusting the spacing. Note the pitch of the adjusting screws and how tight they hold their position. Put a piece of paper into the gap and see how much control you have in adjusting the controls. yes, you should be able to set the gap to this spacing

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Clifford Hynds
Thank you Ken and everyone else for their input and suggestions, has given me some idea , what I would like is an iambic that could be changed to a single paddle if I find that is not my thing. A really good straight key is of cause an option but want to try the paddles first. 73 Cliff VK2CCJ O

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Fred Jensen
P3. It will change the way you operate and make things much more fun. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org On 1/4/2013 7:04 PM, Rick Stealey wrote: My next one will be a Sculpture, but the big decision is should a P3 or a

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Double paddles work non-Iambic with no changes whatsoever. Just do not squeeze them! That's why 99.9% of the paddles sold are double paddles. 73 Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Thank you Ken and everyone else for their input and suggestions, has given me some idea , what I would like is a

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Gary Gregory
Begali Magnetic Pro...it's a statement yes, but s smooth to use..:-) gary On 5 January 2013 14:30, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: > Double paddles work non-Iambic with no changes whatsoever. Just do not > squeeze them! That's why 99.9% of the paddles sold are double paddles. > > 73 Ron AC7AC > > -

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Ken Chandler
You may want to take a look at the Chevron key, Its solid Bronze, hand built here in the uk. fotget the url but google search Chevron keys. Ken..G0ORH - M3i Sent from my iPhone 4 CW4EVER On 5 Jan 2013, at 03:04, Rick Stealey wrote: One thing you can do to help decide - try adjusting t

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Barry
I've used many paddles over the years and my favorite is the ZN-9, found here: http://www.n3znkeys.com/ Tony, N3ZN does fabulous work. While not cheap, it's not outrageous, either. I've used some begali keys in the past. He also offers a 30 day money back guarantee, if you don't like it. I'd

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Nate Bargmann
While probably not as easy to get on this side of the pond, I've been very pleased with a set of Kent paddles I bought in the mid '90s: http://www.kent-engineers.com/ * On 2013 05 Jan 07:09 -0600, Barry wrote: > In my opinion, the Bencher BY-1 is just awful - way too much play in > the levers. I

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Rose
The last I knew, Kent keys were sold by AES ... 73! K0PP On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > While probably not as easy to get on this side of the pond, I've been > very pleased with a set of Kent paddles I bought in the mid '90s: > > http://www.kent-engineers.com/ > > * On

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Bill W4ZV
Clifford Hynds wrote > Single or Dual paddles , suggested paddles? If you've ever used a bug, the Single lever will be much easier to learn. IMHO they are also easier to use at QRQ speeds (most HST Champions use Single levers). They also are more forgiving of fine motor muscle control in the han

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Jim Lowman
You probably don't want to spend that much right away if you're deciding whether CW is your thing or not, so probably a Bencher BY-1 or, I think, MFJ makes a knockoff for less money. Actually, Kent has a sale going on the dual-lever model for about 80 Euros, I think. There have been a couple

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Barry
Bill W4ZV wrote > If you've ever used a bug, the Single lever will be much easier to learn. > IMHO they are also easier to use at QRQ speeds (most HST Champions use > Single levers). > 73, Bill W4ZV Bill - I agree with your first statement about the transition from bug to keyer. However, hav

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Very interesting Barry. I'm not a high speed operator (my best is 35 wpm) and 99% of my operating is 15 to 25 wpm. I also use my whole arm, rolling it side to side to operate the paddles and find it very comfortable at those speeds for very long periods at the key. Indeed, many of the guys workin

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Buddy Brannan
What? All the bugs I have, all three of 'em, have dits on the thumb and dahs on the other not thumb side. Huh... -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Jan 5, 2013, at 9:26 PM, "Erik Basilier" wrote: > Ron, since I learnt CW in Sweden many years ago, I am

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Bill Clarke
To me, there is no finer bug than the VizBug - http://vizkey.com/order.html#90degreevizbug It is smaller than a Vibroplex, more stable due to its right angle design, and much quieter in use. It just ticks along with out any clatter. Bill W2BLC ___

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:50 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive) Buddy, Since I have no personal experience with a bug, whatever I suggested about bugs was an echo of what Ron had just said. I think he must h

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-05 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Basilier Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:26 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive) Ron, since I learnt CW in Sweden many years ago, I am very comfortable transmitting without having the forearm on the table. In fact

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-06 Thread Barry
Here's a youtube video with an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9S-NzsUD5w In this one, it's not the entire arm, but it looks painful the way she slaps those paddles :.) About 25 seconds in, not the large contact spacing. This guy on a straight key is pretty amazing: http://www.youtube.

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-06 Thread Rick Johnson
How many dual paddles do you note in these clips? 73,Rick W3BI > Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 04:24:28 -0800 > From: w...@comcast.net > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others > (not expensive) > > Here'

Re: [Elecraft] Suggested key/paddle for CW for a the K3 and others (not expensive)

2013-01-06 Thread Barry
I didn't view all of it, but probably none. Keep in mind, these are the Russian and Belarus teams. They have very structured training programs where they start in elementary schools. They teach their method for sending CW and their method of receiving using a shorthand system to get it down on p