[EM] Criteria for signing upcoming declaration

2011-08-27 Thread Richard Fobes
On 8/25/2011 11:29 AM, Peter Zbornik wrote: > ... > As this is an "expert opinion", it is important that almost all experts > agree, otherwise it is not an expert opinion. > ... > Then the other question is who is an expert. > Someone who has published at least one paper in a peer-reviewed journal

Re: [EM] Voting reform statement; a clearer and more inspiring version

2011-08-27 Thread Richard Fobes
Here are some additional paragraphs that can be added to our declaration. I've written them to cover some important concepts that are currently not explained. --- begin new paragraphs -- "Roberts Rules of Order contain rules about voting, so any organization that has f

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread matt welland
On Sat, 2011-08-27 at 16:22 -0400, Michael Allan wrote: > > > But not for voting. The voting system guarantees that my vote > > > will have no effect and I would look rather foolish to suppose > > > otherwise. This presents a serious problem. Do you agree? > > Dave Ketchum wrote: > > TRULY, thi

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Aug 27, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Michael Allan wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote: Conditions surrounding elections vary but, picking on a simple example, suppose that, without your vote, there are exactly nR and nD votes. If that is the total vote you get to decide the election by creating a majority with

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Allan
Dave Ketchum wrote: > Conditions surrounding elections vary but, picking on a simple > example, suppose that, without your vote, there are exactly nR and > nD votes. If that is the total vote you get to decide the election > by creating a majority with your vote. What do nR and nD stand for? > O

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Aug 27, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Michael Allan wrote: But not for voting. The voting system guarantees that my vote will have no effect and I would look rather foolish to suppose otherwise. This presents a serious problem. Do you agree? Dave Ketchum wrote: TRULY, this demonstrates lack of unde

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Allan
> > But not for voting. The voting system guarantees that my vote > > will have no effect and I would look rather foolish to suppose > > otherwise. This presents a serious problem. Do you agree? Dave Ketchum wrote: > TRULY, this demonstrates lack of understanding of cause and effect. > > IF th

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Juho Laatu
On 27.8.2011, at 17.38, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Juho Laatu wrote: > >> On 27.8.2011, at 2.13, Jonathan Lundell wrote: >> >>> On Aug 26, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: >>> On 24.8.2011, at 2.07, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: > But back to a possible

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Jonathan Lundell
On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Juho Laatu wrote: > On 27.8.2011, at 2.13, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > >> On Aug 26, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: >> >>> On 24.8.2011, at 2.07, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: >>> But back to a possible generic meaning of a score or cardinal rating: if you

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Juho Laatu
On 27.8.2011, at 2.13, Jonathan Lundell wrote: > On Aug 26, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: > >> On 24.8.2011, at 2.07, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: >> >>> But back to a possible generic meaning of a score or cardinal rating: if >>> you think that candidate X would >>> vote like you on a rando

Re: [EM] the "meaning" of a vote (or lack thereof)

2011-08-27 Thread Michael Allan
Warren Smith wrote: > --no. A single ballot can change the outcome of an election. This > is true in any election method which is capable of having at least > two outcomes. > Proof: simply change ballots one by one until the outcome changes. > At the moment it changes, that single ballot changed