Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread John B. Hodges
From: Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [EM] Query for one and all Dear Kevin, you wrote (2 Sep 2003): I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. Situation 1: 2 A > B > C 3 B > C > A 4 C > A > B The win

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread John B. Hodges
From: "James Gilmour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [EM] Query for one and all JBH asked: My question, for one and all: Is there any desirable quality, that any single-winner method has, that this method does not have? Two problems. 1. Your second and subsequent preferences count against your

[EM] Gilmour - Parliamentary question for you?

2003-09-02 Thread Donald Davison
Gilmour, Would you be so kind as to answer Lyra's question about the Parliamentary form of government? You are most likely the best informed to answer the question. Thank you, I knew you would, Ha Ha. Donald, Forwarded Letter Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 02:27:55 +0100 (

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread Kevin Venzke
Markus, --- Markus Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : > you wrote (2 Sep 2003): > > I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, > > but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. I agree that the below shows a failure of Clone Independence in the method as it was described by Jo

[EM] By the People

2003-09-02 Thread Dave Ketchum
Having inspired Alex Small's response (see end of this post) in thread Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity I retrieve what I wrote long ago: URL: http://people.clarityconnect.com/webpages3/davek/platideas/ Section: PP Notes: III. Of the People, By the People, For the People Something is nee

Re: [EM] Query for one and all

2003-09-02 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Kevin, you wrote (2 Sep 2003): > I think MCA meets Clone Independence and Participation, > but I'd like to hear reasoning to the contrary. Situation 1: 2 A > B > C 3 B > C > A 4 C > A > B The winner is candidate C. Situation 2: Replacing C by C1, C2, and C3 gives:

[EM] MCA Participation failure example

2003-09-02 Thread Kevin Venzke
I found how MCA fails Participation. It seems pretty mild, though: 5: A>B>C 4: B>C>A A is a majority favorite and wins. But add these in: 2: C>A>B There is no majority favorite and B wins by greatest approval. The two voters would have done better to not cast these votes. Or, if they had pol

Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity

2003-09-02 Thread Alex Small
Dave Ketchum said: > If I really wanted to broaden the field, I might get into ways for the > people being represented to control who got to be officials, and > when officials got replaced, WITHOUT doing elections. Here's a simple scheme along those lines. Surely it can be improved, and as set fo

Re: [EM] Cheering for simplicity

2003-09-02 Thread Dave Ketchum
As I said last time, I approve of EM getting into other topics but, for myself (and I assume many others), public elections are the big deal. Certainly other topics could include non humans, etc. If I really wanted to broaden the field, I might get into ways for the people being represented to

Re: [EM] Cardinal Rating Condorcet Loser Elimination

2003-09-02 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 31 Aug 2003 10:19:12 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Ketchum wrote in part: >In public elections we need to have the voters understanding the method >well enough to vote intelligently, and to be able to accept declared >winners as appropriate to the vote count totals (which I claim s

Re: [EM] Re: IRV - Approval, Condorcet-Approval hybrids

2003-09-02 Thread Kevin Venzke
Chris, --- Chris Benham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit : >> While there is no CW, >> Eliminate the Approval loser. > "Voters rank the candidates, equal preferences ok. Also voters insert an > Approval cutoff, default is between 1 and 2. (Yes/No option for each > candidate is also ok, with def

Re: [EM] IRV-Approval, Condorcet-Approval hybrids

2003-09-02 Thread Kevin Venzke
David, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Kevin Venzke wrote: > > >David's method gives me a similar, simpler idea that would seem to be an > >improvement over IRV. The method would be: > > >1. The voters rank the candidates they would be willing to support, and also > >place an approval cutoff