Re: [EM] difficulty of interpersonal comparisons in utility

2004-05-22 Thread Kevin Venzke
Brian, --- Brian Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Well said. This argument goes back at least as far as the canonical work by Kenneth Arrow. In laying the axioms on which his conclusions lay, he argued that you can't compare utility _between_ people. I say otherwise. We do implicitly

[EM] James G., IRV

2004-05-22 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
James G.-- You wrote: Nowhere in my comments will you find any such suggestion. Do not attribute to me comments I have not made. I reply: I'm not saying that you advocate IRV, but, if you do, and if part of your argument for IRV over Condorcet is your claim that people won't like a

[EM] Re: Bolson Reply

2004-05-22 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
When Mr. Olson explained about the linear transformation, to change the extremes of a the points assignments, I objected that the numbers would no longer be in the same proportion as the original numbers. I objected because it had been said that they'd remain in the same proportion, or

[EM] Gervase Lam, ratings reply

2004-05-22 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Gervase Lam-- You wrote: Ignoring the names of any voting methods for a brief moment, here are some what I think are correct definitions in terms of candidates: I reply: Ok, but remember that those are _your_ definitions, and people aren't incorrect if they use those terms differently. You

RE: [EM] James G., IRV

2004-05-22 Thread James Gilmour
MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote James G.-- You wrote: Nowhere in my comments will you find any such suggestion. Do not attribute to me comments I have not made. I reply: I'm not saying that you advocate IRV, but, if you do, and if part of your argument for IRV over Condorcet is your claim that

[EM] Grand EM poll

2004-05-22 Thread bql
Latest web toy: a poll on Election Methods, Ballot Styles, Voting Technology and Representation Systems. http://bolson.org:8080/v/t?poll=em As I am wont to do, it's a Rated ballot. :-) Enjoy. I hope someone finds this useful/amusing. Brian Olson http://bolson.org/ Election-methods

Re: [EM] Gervase Lam, ratings reply

2004-05-22 Thread Brian Olson
On May 22, 2004, at 2:22 PM, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: You or Ken Johnson can define anything you want, but please understand that defining something a certain way doesn't mean that others should go by that definition, if they're already using a different definition. Same goes for you, Mike. No one

Re: [EM] difficulty of interpersonal comparisons in utility

2004-05-22 Thread Brian Olson
On May 22, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Kevin Venzke wrote: --- Brian Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Well said. This argument goes back at least as far as the canonical work by Kenneth Arrow. In laying the axioms on which his conclusions lay, he argued that you can't compare utility _between_ people. I

Re: [EM] Gervase Lam, ratings reply

2004-05-22 Thread Brian Olson
On May 22, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Adam H Tarr wrote: Some rated systems behave differently if signed numbers are used or if positive-only numbers are used. when? Combinations of normalization and shifting can alter a vote such that you can't reverse the process and get the original vote back again.

Re: [EM] Gervase Lam, ratings reply

2004-05-22 Thread Adam Tarr
Brian Olson wrote: Adam Tarr wrote: Some rated systems behave differently if signed numbers are used or if positive-only numbers are used. when? Combinations of normalization and shifting can alter a vote such that you can't reverse the process and get the original vote back again. Shift, then

[EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-22 Thread Ken Johnson
Message: 1 Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 22:06:52 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Kevin=20Venzke?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... This is not realistic unless you think voters are all extremists and only the candidates show moderation. ... Kevin Venzke Kevin, It's not so much a matter of them being

Re: [EM] Efforts to improve on CR's strategy

2004-05-22 Thread Adam H Tarr
Ken Johnson wrote: The proposed Normalized CR method is as follows: (1) Voters give candidates CR ratings. There no need for any range limit - any finite CR value, positive or negative, can be allowed. (2) Apply an additive shift to each voter's CR profile so that the sum of the absolute

[EM] please glance at essay: Reciprocal Pairing

2004-05-22 Thread James Green-Armytage
Dear election methods fans, I hope that someone finds this interesting... I've been working on applying some of the tools of voting methods theory to other areas. Specifically, well, to the area of romance! And at the same time, to things like college admissions and the interaction