Re: [EM] Can we come to consensus? this way?

2005-09-12 Thread Dave Ketchum
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:52:49 -0400 Abd ulRahman Lomax wrote: At 12:24 AM 9/10/2005, Dave Ketchum wrote: Approval gets mentioned so often that I comment up front: Approval as the method. Simple, but a loser because I too often come up with something like: I WANT Nader, but I cannot

Re: [EM] Copeland's criteria

2005-09-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:52 AM 9/12/2005, Rob Lanphier wrote: As Abd alluded to in at least one email, it's possible to have a revised version of Copeland that works differently. For example, it could be possible to not credit a candidate with a victory if they don't receive majority support (called Copeland

[EM] Re: [Condorcet] Copeland's criteria

2005-09-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:44 PM 9/11/2005, Kevin Venzke wrote: I thought about this a bit. Consider this election: 49 A 24 BE 27 CDBE C has 3 wins, and is the only Copeland winner. Let's look at this. C is not just the Copeland winner, C is the Condorcet winner, because in all the pairwise elections, A has 49

RE: [EM] Re: [Condorcet] Copeland's criteria

2005-09-12 Thread Kevin Venzke
Hello, --- Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : At 06:44 PM 9/11/2005, Kevin Venzke wrote: I thought about this a bit. Consider this election: 49 A 24 BE 27 CDBE C has 3 wins, and is the only Copeland winner. Let's look at this. C is not just the Copeland winner, C is the

Re: [EM] Copeland, CDTT

2005-09-12 Thread Kevin Venzke
Rob, --- Rob Lanphier [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : As Abd alluded to in at least one email, it's possible to have a revised version of Copeland that works differently. For example, it could be possible to not credit a candidate with a victory if they don't receive majority support (called

Re: [EM] Citation for immunity to strategic voting?

2005-09-12 Thread Andrew Myers
On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 04:47:19PM -0400, Andrew Myers wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 05:55:01PM -0400, Stephane Rouillon wrote: Actually as many people will tell you, this claim is wrong. I see that Rob already gave you a counter example. Maybe you would like to know that using

Re: [EM] RE: FBC comparison: WV, margins, MMPO, DMC

2005-09-12 Thread Adam Tarr
On 9/12/05, Simmons, Forest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The John and Jane dialogue must have given you the wrong impression that my other discussions of the possibilities were limited to the three candidate case.Please read them again with the idea in mind that they apply to any finite number of

RE: [EM] RE: FBC comparison: WV, margins, MMPO, DMC

2005-09-12 Thread Simmons, Forest
Dear Adam (and other interested parties), The John and Jane dialogue must have given you the wrong impression that my other discussions of the possibilities were limited to the three candidate case. Please read them again with the idea in mind that they apply to any finite number of

Re: [EM] Can we come to consensus? this way?

2005-09-12 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:40 AM 9/12/2005, Dave Ketchum wrote: Approval has the singular advantage of requiring no ballot changes, only a tweak of the election rules: simply stop discarding overvoted ballots. Not much advantage, for even this requires reprogramming. Better to go for more good with the