Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-23 Thread Russ Paielli
James Green-Armytage jarmyta-at-antioch-college.edu |EMlist| wrote: James G-A replying to Russ My first comment is that this proposal is significantly more complicated than my (or Kevin's) "Ranked Approval Voting" (RAV) proposal, which simply drops the least approved candidate until a CW is fou

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-23 Thread Russ Paielli
Forest Simmons simmonfo-at-up.edu |EMlist| wrote: On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Russ! I completely agree with what you wrote! Just like you, I think that an "ideal" election method must integrate both ordinal and cardinal information, and the cardinal information should be simple

[EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-22 Thread Forest Simmons
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Russ! I completely agree with what you wrote! Just like you, I think that an "ideal" election method must integrate both ordinal and cardinal information, and the cardinal information should be simple approval (yes/no for each candidate). I would eve

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-22 Thread James Green-Armytage
James G-A replying to Russ > >My first comment is that this proposal is significantly more complicated >than my (or Kevin's) "Ranked Approval Voting" (RAV) proposal, which >simply drops the least approved candidate until a CW is found. Yes, I suppose the tally is harder to explain, alt

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-21 Thread Russ Paielli
Russ wrote: Your method is interesting, and it may have good properties. However, I don't like the idea of dropping defeats. I think dropping candidates based on approval scores is much easier to explain to the public and is perfectly legitimate. But at this point that's just my opinion. James w

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-21 Thread Forest Simmons
Sorry! I hit the wrong key on that previous message. Please don't include it in the message digest! Election-methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-21 Thread Forest Simmons
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Jobst Heitzig wrote: Dear Russ! I completely agree with what you wrote! Just like you, I think that an "ideal" election method must integrate both ordinal and cardinal information, and the cardinal information should be simple approval (yes/no for each candidate). I would eve

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-20 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi Russ, Some replies follow, on the subject of cardinal pairwise in comparison with other ordinal/cardinal methods. > > >What if the two measures disagree about who is defeated? In other words, >what if one candidate wins the pairwise race but the other wins the >approval race? >

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-20 Thread Russ Paielli
James Green-Armytage jarmyta-at-antioch-college.edu |EMlist| wrote: Hi Russ, I suggest that the cardinal pairwise method provides a logical conclusion to some of your ruminations. fc.antioch.edu/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/cwp13.pdf or http://fc.antioch.edu/~james_green-armytage/cwp13.htm Th

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-20 Thread Jobst Heitzig
Dear Russ! I completely agree with what you wrote! Just like you, I think that > an "ideal" election > method must integrate both ordinal and cardinal information, and the > cardinal information should be simple approval (yes/no for each > candidate). I would even go so far to claim that the i

Re: [EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-19 Thread James Green-Armytage
Hi Russ, I suggest that the cardinal pairwise method provides a logical conclusion to some of your ruminations. fc.antioch.edu/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/cwp13.pdf or http://fc.antioch.edu/~james_green-armytage/cwp13.htm This method uses a continuous scale (e.g. 0-100) rather than a binar

[EM] ruminations on ordinal and cardinal information

2005-03-19 Thread Russ Paielli
Folks, I've been busy for several days due to a family medical crisis, so I've been unable to reply to the many interesting messages that have been posted. However, I would like to present some general ideas I've been thinking about. Some of them may be obvious, and most if not all are probably